2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Luscion]

for me it feels like lewis wants a more neutral car? he complains a lot about understeer as much as oversteer..

both drivers complain about it, Charles has mentioned a few times how hard the car is to drive because of the extreme setups they need to do and again complained about balance issues today

[deadhead]

found this interesting - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/hamil ... /10737775/

Hamilton also admitted that he's edging closer towards his team-mate's set-up. While he's not entirely comfortable with the levels of oversteer it produces, it seems to be bearing fruit.

"Set-up even closer to Charles, yeah," he said. "He drives a massively oversteering car. Somehow slides the rear, so it doesn't have degradation. When I slide the rear, I get massive degradation.

"It's definitely something I think you have to get used to. Supposedly, it took Carlos a couple of years to get used to. I don't want to do that."

Sainz was driving a completely different car and his driving style was not like that.

The more oversteery the car the further away from LEC he was

I suspect this is similar to what happens with VER’s teammates but to a lesser degree.

for me it feels like lewis wants a more neutral car? he complains a lot about understeer as much as oversteer..

both drivers complain about it, Charles has mentioned a few times how hard the car is to drive because of the extreme setups they need to do and again complained about balance issues today

Of course they are both dealing with the exact same shortcomings of the machine.

[Hammerfist]

found this interesting - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/hamil ... /10737775/

Sainz was driving a completely different car and his driving style was not like that.

The more oversteery the car the further away from LEC he was

I suspect this is similar to what happens with VER’s teammates but to a lesser degree.

for me it feels like lewis wants a more neutral car? he complains a lot about understeer as much as oversteer..

both drivers complain about it, Charles has mentioned a few times how hard the car is to drive because of the extreme setups they need to do and again complained about balance issues today

Of course they are both dealing with the exact same shortcomings of the machine.

It seems it may not be the fastest way around anymore. Or was it ever? Verstappen no longer dominates f1. You have a car in the McLaren where a rookie can jump in in one day and is immediately on the pace of Piastri. So perhaps a neutral balance is best for this generation of cars in their current life cycles when this wasn’t true when they were first introduced.

[Xyz22]

Sainz was driving a completely different car and his driving style was not like that.

The more oversteery the car the further away from LEC he was

I suspect this is similar to what happens with VER’s teammates but to a lesser degree.

both drivers complain about it, Charles has mentioned a few times how hard the car is to drive because of the extreme setups they need to do and again complained about balance issues today

Of course they are both dealing with the exact same shortcomings of the machine.

It seems it may not be the fastest way around anymore. Or was it ever? Verstappen no longer dominates f1. You have a car in the McLaren where a rookie can jump in in one day and is immediately on the pace of Piastri. So perhaps a neutral balance is best for this generation of cars in their current life cycles when this wasn’t true when they were first introduced.

The McLaren has just much, much more downforce than the other cars and way less limitations.

[ScuderiaLeo]

While we didn't see a massive jump in pace or anything, from the interviews post-race it sounds like the drivers and team are pleased with the results of the new floor. That's good news for whenever the suspension arrives.

[subfire91]

The more oversteery the car the further away from LEC he was

I suspect this is similar to what happens with VER’s teammates but to a lesser degree.



Of course they are both dealing with the exact same shortcomings of the machine.

It seems it may not be the fastest way around anymore. Or was it ever? Verstappen no longer dominates f1. You have a car in the McLaren where a rookie can jump in in one day and is immediately on the pace of Piastri. So perhaps a neutral balance is best for this generation of cars in their current life cycles when this wasn’t true when they were first introduced.

The McLaren has just much, much more downforce than the other cars and way less limitations.

My feeling is that the "much more downforce" statement may not be true.

We tend to match them in high speed corner minimum speed which indicates that downforce is very close.

My humble opinion is that they are far superior on the mechanical side (suspension) and tyre management (brake ducts maybe?)

[Xyz22]

It seems it may not be the fastest way around anymore. Or was it ever? Verstappen no longer dominates f1. You have a car in the McLaren where a rookie can jump in in one day and is immediately on the pace of Piastri. So perhaps a neutral balance is best for this generation of cars in their current life cycles when this wasn’t true when they were first introduced.

The McLaren has just much, much more downforce than the other cars and way less limitations.

My feeling is that the "much more downforce" statement may not be true.

We tend to match them in high speed corner minimum speed which indicates that downforce is very close.

My humble opinion is that they are far superior on the mechanical side (suspension) and tyre management (brake ducts maybe?)

Check the performance in high speed in the first stint.

[leblanc]

Did the aero team and chassis team only communicate through 'file transfer' or did they actually have human-to-human meetings in a room ?

Regardless, quite the L from Cardille.

[deadhead]

Did the aero team and chassis team only communicate through 'file transfer' or did they actually have human-to-human meetings in a room ?

Regardless, quite the L from Cardille.

He’s been gone for over a year… no one checked his work in the winter??

[f1316]

The McLaren has just much, much more downforce than the other cars and way less limitations.

My feeling is that the "much more downforce" statement may not be true.

We tend to match them in high speed corner minimum speed which indicates that downforce is very close.

My humble opinion is that they are far superior on the mechanical side (suspension) and tyre management (brake ducts maybe?)

Check the performance in high speed in the first stint.

There was lots of lift and coast in the first stint, so can’t really consider that representative of ultimate downforce levels.

[rijtuig]

So why was HAM not allowed to stay in and finish the race?

[Juzh]

So why was HAM not allowed to stay in and finish the race?

What was there to gain, except to mess with his teammate? Team went for optimal race result, which was the correct thing to do.

[rijtuig]

But was it? Why not listen to your driver?

[Dee]

But was it? Why not listen to your driver?

Hamilton wasn't in a position to get the preferred race strategy. He qualified second and was never faster than Charles. The team made sure that he could not gamble and gain a place by holding out for a safety car.

[dialtone]

But was it? Why not listen to your driver?

He just went out in t3 and was complaining his rears were gone.

24 laps to go… even if he had pitted he was going to get passed again within 10 laps at most with only 21s lost in the pits and him being 10s behind LEC give or take. This isn’t worth paper.