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[dialtone]

Car was horrible huh

Yeah. Tsunoda 12th instead of last is the tell that whatever issue they had is fixed now.

[Vettel165]

Max Goat from nowhere on pole. This is why he is a four time world champion. Thank you for some joy again, you made my day.

[CjC]

Awesome job Max

[SB15]

Those who watched:
Max is pole

Those who know:
Max is pole (Loses 5 tenths in the slow speed)

[Sergej]

pole nr. 44 at Silverstone

[venkyhere]

Those who watched:
Max is pole

Those who know:
Max is pole (Loses 5 tenths in the slow speed)

Yes, that's the 'new fear unlocked' for Sunday race that we are all kind of expecting from FP2 itself.

[ispano6]

Car was horrible huh

Yeah. Tsunoda 12th instead of last is the tell that whatever issue they had is fixed now.

Horner said after qualifying that Yuki suffered from a lack of e-boost which cost him a tenth or so. Not sure that would have put him in q3 and Bearman has a penalty as well.

Hopefully the setup tomorrow works out. Curious to know how different in spec the two are.

[DDopey]

I still think Max is already gone if I hear Horner talking. Instead of using the superlatives that he used to (and others do) around Max, he is promoting the team. Yes, its a team effort, but we should be seeing a bit more from the 2nd drivers, if the team was doing a job like the McLaren team.

[Vettel165]

[venkyhere]

https://postimg.cc/xJ4BWhYF

The car is the knifiest of the knife-edge cars out there. And then to make it worse, go to Silverstone with a Monza spec wing. And still be fastest in high speed corners - that takes spectacular talent. Typically, when lowDF wings are used, prioritizing straight line, it's a given that high speed , medium speed cornering etc will suffer. But not when you have a driver who specializes in stabilizing an unstable equilibrium.

[Emag]

https://postimg.cc/xJ4BWhYF

The car is the knifiest of the knife-edge cars out there. And then to make it worse, go to Silverstone with a Monza spec wing. And still be fastest in high speed corners - that takes spectacular talent. Typically, when lowDF wings are used, prioritizing straight line, it's a given that high speed , medium speed cornering etc will suffer. But not when you have a driver who specializes in stabilizing an unstable equilibrium.

Most of the corners in S2 are easily flat out with these cars just because of the sheer amount of downforce coming from the floor. Pace there is not very “impressive” in itself. It was just a conscious setup choice by RedBull.

The talent and the impressive bit comes into play at S1 and S3, where a driver of Max’s caliber does not only just minimize losses that come by running with a lesser loaded car compared to rivals, but sometimes he even betters them.

So you end up in a situation where your car is vastly outperforming the others in S2 (which is essentially just a long straight with a very short braking point in the middle), with your driver outperforming the others at the rest of the lap.

Could have easily been 2 tenths up if Max pushed the limit on S3, but by his own admission, he saw the gap after S2 and knew he had enough in hand to take the last sector safer.

Now it just remains to be seen how well the car will cope with the deg tomorrow, assuming we have a dry race.

[CjC]

https://postimg.cc/xJ4BWhYF

The car is the knifiest of the knife-edge cars out there. And then to make it worse, go to Silverstone with a Monza spec wing. And still be fastest in high speed corners - that takes spectacular talent. Typically, when lowDF wings are used, prioritizing straight line, it's a given that high speed , medium speed cornering etc will suffer. But not when you have a driver who specializes in stabilizing an unstable equilibrium.

Not taking anything away from the awesome result for Max

But what happens in Monza when the rest turn up with Monza rear wings?

[TeamKoolGreen]

I still think Max is already gone if I hear Horner talking. Instead of using the superlatives that he used to (and others do) around Max, he is promoting the team. Yes, its a team effort, but we should be seeing a bit more from the 2nd drivers, if the team was doing a job like the McLaren team.

I see the opposite. If anything, Horner is signalling that Max is likely to take a year off. Max is not in the mood for a mega transfer with huge expectations and the media attention that it will bring.

McLaren have two #1 drivers.

[venkyhere]

https://postimg.cc/xJ4BWhYF

The car is the knifiest of the knife-edge cars out there. And then to make it worse, go to Silverstone with a Monza spec wing. And still be fastest in high speed corners - that takes spectacular talent. Typically, when lowDF wings are used, prioritizing straight line, it's a given that high speed , medium speed cornering etc will suffer. But not when you have a driver who specializes in stabilizing an unstable equilibrium.

Most of the corners in S2 are easily flat out with these cars just because of the sheer amount of downforce coming from the floor. Pace there is not very “impressive” in itself. It was just a conscious setup choice by RedBull.

The talent and the impressive bit comes into play at S1 and S3, where a driver of Max’s caliber does not only just minimize losses that come by running with a lesser loaded car compared to rivals, but sometimes he even betters them.

So you end up in a situation where your car is vastly outperforming the others in S2 (which is essentially just a long straight with a very short braking point in the middle), with your driver outperforming the others at the rest of the lap.

Could have easily been 2 tenths up if Max pushed the limit on S3, but by his own admission, he saw the gap after S2 and knew he had enough in hand to take the last sector safer.

Now it just remains to be seen how well the car will cope with the deg tomorrow, assuming we have a dry race.

Yes, agree with the S1 and S3. But not ready to dismiss S2 entirely as just 'pin-the-throttle-car-will-take-it' type sector. Where the 'monza wing' gave a huge drag reduction advantage through T8-T9-T10-T11-T12, the trickiest bit of S2 is the T12-T13-T14 clumsy high speed turn, where the car can get out of shape very easily with a lowDF wing. Where the normal wing guys only have to 'really lift' for the 2nd phase of the back to back direction change, the lowDF guy has to do the same for both 1st and 2nd phases, that's like unloding, loading, then unloading - something that the car wont like, w.r.t balance. In one of the Q sessions (Q2 or Q3 first run) the camera shot that 'faced' this section showed the RB21 clearly snapping and then Max 'catching it' without losing time. That's where the big bucks paid to him gets justified.

[CjC]

Again, I’m not taking anything away from the top job Max did but according to Stella the wind changed direction in favour of the low DF wing for quali…..
He did also say that Red Bull have done a really good job with the drag/ downforce relationship with this low DF wing (in my opinion Max will me mega in Spa again, maybe this time he’ll take the victory as well as the pole)

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mark ... -paid-off/