2025 McLaren F1 Team

[Darth-Piekus]

Now that things have cooled down for me I have to give props to the whole team for making a car that is the best in every single scenario and letting both drivers to compete each other as the spirit of F1 dictates.. While I would prefer if Norris fought for his victory he did nothing wrong there. I would like to also see some more criticism to the stewards decisions and their consistency and not take everything for granted. For example Russell did nothing wrong in Canada so he wasnt penalized and he did not cause Max to take any evasive action since he did not brake check him. That should have translated to a penalty to Max since he passed a car during SC. Last year in Imola, Piastri got a 3 place grid penalty for impeding Sainz while Sainz did not get a penalty for impeding Lando in Canada the same year. Its not right to me that a SC infringement to have the same penalty as someone who uses his car as a weapon. Now that we established how someone should behave in a SC situation I hope we never see double standards to a similar situation.

[Ground Effect]

Now that things have cooled down for me I have to give props to the whole team for making a car that is the best in every single scenario and letting both drivers to compete each other as the spirit of F1 dictates.. While I would prefer if Norris fought for his victory he did nothing wrong there. I would like to also see some more criticism to the stewards decisions and their consistency and not take everything for granted. For example Russell did nothing wrong in Canada so he wasnt penalized and he did not cause Max to take any evasive action since he did not brake check him. That should have translated to a penalty to Max since he passed a car during SC. Last year in Imola, Piastri got a 3 place grid penalty for impeding Sainz while Sainz did not get a penalty for impeding Lando in Canada the same year. Its not right to me that a SC infringement to have the same penalty as someone who uses his car as a weapon. Now that we established how someone should behave in a SC situation I hope we never see double standards to a similar situation.

The minimum penalty for a safety car infringement is a 10 seconds time penalty.

[Watto]

Now that things have cooled down for me I have to give props to the whole team for making a car that is the best in every single scenario and letting both drivers to compete each other as the spirit of F1 dictates.. While I would prefer if Norris fought for his victory he did nothing wrong there. I would like to also see some more criticism to the stewards decisions and their consistency and not take everything for granted. For example Russell did nothing wrong in Canada so he wasnt penalized and he did not cause Max to take any evasive action since he did not brake check him. That should have translated to a penalty to Max since he passed a car during SC. Last year in Imola, Piastri got a 3 place grid penalty for impeding Sainz while Sainz did not get a penalty for impeding Lando in Canada the same year. Its not right to me that a SC infringement to have the same penalty as someone who uses his car as a weapon. Now that we established how someone should behave in a SC situation I hope we never see double standards to a similar situation.

I would like to see more similar incidents penalised in the future I tend to think the Russell one a few weeks ago was extremely similar but accept there were some key differences the rules to allow an overtake for erratic driving/rapid acceleration/braking, George knew where Max was before be braked I tend to think that's a bit of a doubled edged sword George was making sure Max behind him wouldn't rear end him when he braked. If Max was behind him he provably would have had to take the same evasive action and penalty George that probably played a role in the decision not to penalise Max for overtaking. I tend to think George knew exactly what he was doing though and was trying to force a penalty for Max but that probably my opinion more than pure fact GR is the only one that knows for sure.

Buy you'll never get consistency every incident is a little different. There isn't a sport I follow where there aren't fans that complain about thier team being on the harsh end of some decisions - Max/BRB fans can pick where Max got penalties where other drivers didn't on the surface it looked very similar, Lewis fans list where Lewis looked like he was targeted too on the surface it looks similar I think you go into fans of every other team and you'll find some fans that have a similar view of their favourite being on the wrong end of a decision that looked extremely similar - I'd argue toothier is some truth to it to where the FIA stewards (and refs/decisoni makers of any sport in the world tbf) can justify almost any incident with very minor differences and still be correct) they can't be bias against 10 teams, just a lot of confirmation bias you can find decisions to back up almost any view if you look for them.

Do I think Oscar was in a way unlucky because. other similar incidents have neem let go and this seems to be the first? Yeah probably at the same time I think the penult was warranted too I think that drivers behind had to take evasive action twice probably played a bit into the decisions here too. Oscar will learn he has shown that

[SiLo]

Oscar got screwed by himself, but even more by Max spinning. If Max doesn't spin, I reckon he pulls 10s in a few laps while Max and Norris fight.

[Watto]

Oscar got screwed by himself, but even more by Max spinning. If Max doesn't spin, I reckon he pulls 10s in a few laps while Max and Norris fight.

Yeah agree there, I think is Max didn't spin it would have taken Lando a few laps to get past Max and he could have pulled a big enough gap and stayed ahead, the only thing I would argue would be would that have make Lando push harder to get within that window as it was he managed extremely well considering why close right up on the gearbox of Oscar and risk running into him if he made a little mistake in the web , risk overheating his tyres, risk going off line in wet conditions trying to overtake when the penalty did that for him - yes it was a little lucky but it also had nothing to of with Lando either so fair play to him - I do understand Oscars frustration though .

[CjC]

The stewards had already marked Piastri’s card after his first safety car restart.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/the- ... nce-fails/

[Darth-Piekus]

I will bring two questions that Rene on the first comment mentioned which showed stewards not doing their job as they should.

Why was Piastri, then, not penalized for what he did on lap 17 restart? Why would he think that what he did on lap 17 he should not do on lap 21, if nothing happened 4 laps earlier? He clearly broke the rule already on lap 17. Do the drivers have a grace number of rule breaks before a penalty? Was he warned after lap 17 that he broke the rule? Seems not otherwise he would not do it on other laps, as he says, when there was no notice for SC period ending. This kind of inconsistency is probably something the stewards have been applying for way too long.

Second, why does the Race Control leave it until the very last moment to order the Safety Car in? On lap 21 it was just several seconds, and on lap 17 it was perhaps just two seconds more. To me this seems utterly reckless, and unnecessary. Why can't they decide it one sector earlier? Nothing much changes in those 20-odd seconds, and the drivers would be much better prepared for the restart

For me number 1 raises the biggest question. Why wasn't Piastri warned about that from the FIA or his team? If he was warned he would have not do that again.

[Watto]

I will bring two questions that Rene on the first comment mentioned which showed stewards not doing their job as they should.

Why was Piastri, then, not penalized for what he did on lap 17 restart? Why would he think that what he did on lap 17 he should not do on lap 21, if nothing happened 4 laps earlier? He clearly broke the rule already on lap 17. Do the drivers have a grace number of rule breaks before a penalty? Was he warned after lap 17 that he broke the rule? Seems not otherwise he would not do it on other laps, as he says, when there was no notice for SC period ending. This kind of inconsistency is probably something the stewards have been applying for way too long.

Second, why does the Race Control leave it until the very last moment to order the Safety Car in? On lap 21 it was just several seconds, and on lap 17 it was perhaps just two seconds more. To me this seems utterly reckless, and unnecessary. Why can't they decide it one sector earlier? Nothing much changes in those 20-odd seconds, and the drivers would be much better prepared for the restart

For me number 1 raises the biggest question. Why wasn't Piastri warned about that from the FIA or his team? If he was warned he would have not do that again.

Part of the review of AD2021 was that the Stewards would not have communications withheld the teams anymore after teams tried to lobby the RD about penalties or what to do, RBR lobbied Masi to only let a few cars overtake and get the race running. Its probably a good thing overall but then it does bring up issues, Max and Russell Red Bull told Max to give Russell the place back when Max went off the track, the stewards post race said there wouldn't have been a penalty as Russell lost control, contact, Max was avoiding a collisions they questioned the same thing and that they don't even clearly understand the rules or know really which way they are heading.

2 I probably can't answer perhaps because it was wet still and they wanted to keep the cars behind the SC as long as possible to try and avoid any games? Last minute drivers at least know when the race leader will take off leave half a lap and they can do it anywhere and risk a pileup mood. Perhaps there was still someone on the track cleaning up that had not quite got off the track or back to their positions, marshals, medical staff Purely a theory but that's probably all I got

[Seanspeed]

He didn’t win fair and square.

He was out qualified and dominated at the start of the race.

Only the questionable penalty gifted him the win.

You don’t celebrate something like that. I don’t anyway! But sure, some people think it’s a good idea to give all kids at sports day a participation medal too. Wins come with respect and true wins are earned not gifted.

There's nothing wrong with participation medals for freaking kids playing inconsequential kids sports. Just getting them involved and active is a worthwhile thing to be happy about.

It's not remotely comparable to celebrating an undeserved win at the pinnacle of a serious competition.

The point I was making was about some people’s attitude towards winning.

To cover your point:

All kids should NOT get a participation medal. It teaches them nothing other than a right of entitlement. Your meant to put the time and effort in to earn wins (or medals). Not get prizes just for turning up. That is not how life works.

We're talking about KIDS here. Little kids playing completely inconsequential sports largely just because it's healthy to get your kids out and active in anything at all. They dont need to be taught that 'winning is everything', because it's not, and that's more often than not an actually unhealthy mindset to have. Are YOU the best in the world at everything you do? Do you consider yourself a failure cuz you still dont understand when to use you're instead of your? Hopefully not, because being perfect and the best is really not important in life for anybody except a very select few.

You're acting like they're getting EQUAL medals and recognition as the winners, and that's just not the case. It's just some generic little medal/trophy or whatever to denote their involvement. This is good. Many people will actually look fondly back on what is essentially just a souvenir and memory snapshot of their childhood. Absolutely nobody is treating it like it's the same thing as winning. Everybody knows that. The kids know that. Why dont you?

F1 is a very serious competition. Of course at this level things are different. In no world is the situation remotely comparable to just some benign little kids league that get some $2 little trophies/medals at the end of the season no matter how they did.

[aragorn123]

The feel good factor the McLaren fanbase had was always going to sour once this championship scenario came up. By all means cheer on your favourite driver, but the petty digs and salty responses are getting pretty ridiculous. Anyone with a shred of impartiality could see Oscar made a huge mistake. I do tend to side with Lando personally because of his tenure and longevity with the team, but I was up cheering when Oscar overtook Max. Had my head in my hands after the safety car moment, knew instantly it was slam-dunk 10 second penalty. He'll learn from it, all drivers make mistakes, and he'll bounce back at Spa.

We'll never really know how the race would have panned out without the penalty. Oscar had the edge in wet conditions, Lando looked quicker during the crossover to dry. May have had ourselves another on-track battle at some point. But to suggest Lando didn't deserve the win is silly, and to criticise him for celebrating a win at his home grand prix for the first time is just pathetic. Cringing at some of these posts.
[/By far the most level headed and fair quotes Ive seen all day. My God guys, we just got back-to-back 1-2s, we are literally dominating WC and only our drivers are fighting for the WC, what more could you wish for as a Mclaren fan? Having experienced the dark days of Honda and then recently the horrible 2022-2023 abyss, this is heaven right now. Whomever you support, Lando or Oscar (Lando, me personally), keep it respectful and fair, please. Im in awe of how good Oscar is, and just even more surpirsed this season because I always thought Lando had a slight raw pace advantage but seeing as how this Championship is coming along, its super intense, each race is a battle, and whoever wins in the end will be fully deserving, beacuse they had to beat a top tier super fast driver in the process.
PS. I believe we won't be as dominant in Spa as the past couple of races. Cheers]

[zxof]

You guys can fight it out.
I'm still in 'honeymoon' period that I was waiting for since 2013! I thought we're not going to win British GP after it started to rain... glad I was wrong!

Also it's only been a year since we have a top car.

[PikeStance]

You're acting like they're getting EQUAL medals and recognition as the winners, and that's just not the case. It's just some generic little medal/trophy or whatever to denote their involvement. This is good. Many people will actually look fondly back on what is essentially just a souvenir and memory snapshot of their childhood. Absolutely nobody is treating it like it's the same thing as winning. Everybody knows that. The kids know that. Why dont you?

F1 is a very serious competition. Of course at this level things are different. In no world is the situation remotely comparable to just some benign little kids league that get some $2 little trophies/medals at the end of the season no matter how they did.

Years ago, and I mean years ago... I was coaching boys' soccer (Under 12). My players beg me not to give out our participation trophies. They said they are absolutely useless and embarrassing. My parents wanted to give them out, and it was a way too long conversation to convince them otherwise.

This was back in 1994. I am shock there is anyone in the world who still thinks it is a good idea. I know I definitely did not want one as a kid either.

[Seanspeed]

You're acting like they're getting EQUAL medals and recognition as the winners, and that's just not the case. It's just some generic little medal/trophy or whatever to denote their involvement. This is good. Many people will actually look fondly back on what is essentially just a souvenir and memory snapshot of their childhood. Absolutely nobody is treating it like it's the same thing as winning. Everybody knows that. The kids know that. Why dont you?

F1 is a very serious competition. Of course at this level things are different. In no world is the situation remotely comparable to just some benign little kids league that get some $2 little trophies/medals at the end of the season no matter how they did.

Years ago, and I mean years ago... I was coaching boys' soccer (Under 12). My players beg me not to give out our participation trophies. They said they are absolutely useless and embarrassing. My parents wanted to give them out, and it was a way too long conversation to convince them otherwise.

This was back in 1994. I am shock there is anyone in the world who still thinks it is a good idea. I know I definitely did not want one as a kid either.

It's completely and utterly harmless. I also dont for a second believe your story that kids less than 12 years old playing in some casual soccer league begged you to not to give them participation trophies. lol It's just not something that matters that strongly either way. The only way this at all happened is if you kind of put it in their head that they were bad from the start. 12 year olds will not think that hard about something like this and all stand together principled about something so innocuous. What a weird thing to lie about. lol

Again, nobody treats those trophies as equal to winning. This idea that they cause harm or weakness comes entirely from insecure fathers.

And it cant be stressed enough - in no world is this in any way comparable to what happens in a genuinely serious and grown up competition like in F1. Or heck, even actual serious competition with kids, like in sanctioned karting leagues or something like regional school sports leagues.

[Lazy]

You're acting like they're getting EQUAL medals and recognition as the winners, and that's just not the case. It's just some generic little medal/trophy or whatever to denote their involvement. This is good. Many people will actually look fondly back on what is essentially just a souvenir and memory snapshot of their childhood. Absolutely nobody is treating it like it's the same thing as winning. Everybody knows that. The kids know that. Why dont you?

F1 is a very serious competition. Of course at this level things are different. In no world is the situation remotely comparable to just some benign little kids league that get some $2 little trophies/medals at the end of the season no matter how they did.

Years ago, and I mean years ago... I was coaching boys' soccer (Under 12). My players beg me not to give out our participation trophies. They said they are absolutely useless and embarrassing. My parents wanted to give them out, and it was a way too long conversation to convince them otherwise.

This was back in 1994. I am shock there is anyone in the world who still thinks it is a good idea. I know I definitely did not want one as a kid either.

It's completely and utterly harmless. I also dont for a second believe your story that kids less than 12 years old playing in some casual soccer league begged you to not to give them participation trophies. lol It's just not something that matters that strongly either way. The only way this at all happened is if you kind of put it in their head that they were bad from the start. 12 year olds will not think that hard about something like this and all stand together principled about something so innocuous. What a weird thing to lie about. lol

Again, nobody treats those trophies as equal to winning. This idea that they cause harm or weakness comes entirely from insecure fathers.

And it cant be stressed enough - in no world is this in any way comparable to what happens in a genuinely serious and grown up competition like in F1. Or heck, even actual serious competition with kids, like in sanctioned karting leagues or something like regional school sports leagues.

Well said

[Macklaren]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why- ... /10740333/

Confirmation that the new floor works as expected and will be raced at Spa