Was Brawn allowed to remove Mclaren fuel rig?

[axle]

OMG! It doesn't matter who pulls the thing out...SAFETY comes first!!

Anyone who can't grasp that concept doesn't belong near other human beings!

If you noticed Heikki's reaction he is surprised when the Brawn guys pull the hose off his car.

In the interests of Safety and sporting behaviour pull that hose out as fast as possible was the best thing.

I'm truely delighted that we won't see another Ferrari fireball etc next year with the lack of refueling.

Hero of the race for me is Kimi who drove with petrol stung eyes for the whole race and was still competative. How many other men on that grid could?

[Paul]

To clear up the terminology used by FIA:

Track : a road especially built or adapted to be used for Circuit
competitions. A track is defi ned by the outer edges of the
racing surface.

A pit lane at least 12 m wide, with pit garages and race control
facilities should be foreseen adjacent to the starting straight,
separated from it by at least 4 m to provide for a verge, pit wall
and signalling platform.
As a general guide, the length of pit lane per car competing
should be approximately 7 m, with 4 m being the minimum for
the pit installations. Adequate pit entry and pit exit lanes should
leave and join the track at points avoiding interference with the
racing line.

[andartop]

Axle, your posts seem confused. No one here argues that safety shouldn't come first, or that the Brawn mechanics shouldn't have done what they did - see the topic of this thread as well, it's quite clear.
Still, that doesn't necessarily mean that it was a legitimate move.
Consider this if you will: had the exact same thing happened to a championship contender and he went on to win the race and the title by a margin of 0.02 secs, would that be fair to his rivals???

[CHT]

OMG! It doesn't matter who pulls the thing out...SAFETY comes first!!

Anyone who can't grasp that concept doesn't belong near other human beings!

If you noticed Heikki's reaction he is surprised when the Brawn guys pull the hose off his car.

In the interests of Safety and sporting behaviour pull that hose out as fast as possible was the best thing.

I'm truely delighted that we won't see another Ferrari fireball etc next year with the lack of refueling.

Hero of the race for me is Kimi who drove with petrol stung eyes for the whole race and was still competative. How many other men on that grid could?

I dont think Heikki incident is anywhere more dangerous than Massa incident at Singapore GP last year hence if safety is really a issue here, then the pit crews that were closest to Massa's car last year should be removed or penalised for failing to act.

And if I remember correctly, Brawn guys didnt just remove the rig, they even signal Heikki to move off. Would Brawn GP crew do the same if the car was driven by Vettel or Webber?

[axle]

Axle, your posts seem confused. No one here argues that safety shouldn't come first, or that the Brawn mechanics shouldn't have done what they did - see the topic of this thread as well, it's quite clear.
Still, that doesn't necessarily mean that it was a legitimate move.
Consider this if you will: had the exact same thing happened to a championship contender and he went on to win the race and the title by a margin of 0.02 secs, would that be fair to his rivals???

I'm not confused, I'm stunned. I can't even fathom why this is a "discussion". Brawn did the right thing. The End.

[CHT]

Axle, your posts seem confused. No one here argues that safety shouldn't come first, or that the Brawn mechanics shouldn't have done what they did - see the topic of this thread as well, it's quite clear.
Still, that doesn't necessarily mean that it was a legitimate move.
Consider this if you will: had the exact same thing happened to a championship contender and he went on to win the race and the title by a margin of 0.02 secs, would that be fair to his rivals???

I'm not confused, I'm stunned. I can't even fathom why this is a "discussion". Brawn did the right thing. The End.

it is not about who is right or wrong, it is about weather it is legitimate to receive or provide external assistance that can affect the result of the race or championship.

[axle]

Axle, your posts seem confused. No one here argues that safety shouldn't come first, or that the Brawn mechanics shouldn't have done what they did - see the topic of this thread as well, it's quite clear.
Still, that doesn't necessarily mean that it was a legitimate move.
Consider this if you will: had the exact same thing happened to a championship contender and he went on to win the race and the title by a margin of 0.02 secs, would that be fair to his rivals???

I'm not confused, I'm stunned. I can't even fathom why this is a "discussion". Brawn did the right thing. The End.

it is not about who is right or wrong, it is about weather it is legitimate to receive or provide external assistance that can affect the result of the race or championship.

It's legitimate if its in the interests of safety.

[czt]

I'm not bothered at all whether it was legal for Brawn to get involved with Heikki's car - what I thought was fantastic was that they were over there without a second thought, sorted his car out then sent him on his way back into the race.

It's the kind of "mucking in" attitude of helping your fellow competitor that would be seen in most club racing paddocks but which I expected would be absent from the ultra-serious world of F1!

[ESPImperium]

I'm not bothered at all whether it was legal for Brawn to get involved with Heikki's car - what I thought was fantastic was that they were over there without a second thought, sorted his car out then sent him on his way back into the race.

It's the kind of "mucking in" attitude of helping your fellow competitor that would be seen in most club racing paddocks but which I expected would be absent from the ultra-serious world of F1!

Thats exactly what should happen in F1. Trying to keep as many cars in the feild as you can should be in the rules, and thus things like this permitted. Lets face it, you cant help what the choo-choo driver is gonna do to Sutil and that gets the SCD up on the timing screen, and when a team sees the SCD up, they red mist decends as its the only way they can make up places leagaly during a SCD period.

If it was illegal, what the FIA should have is a wee guy down at the end of the pits whos job it is to realease a hose when a Massa or Hekki incedent occurs. But refuling is going soon so that isnt gonna be any good soon.

Altho, what id do to avoid unsafe realeases is have lines painted accross the fsat lane in the pits that a lolly guy cannot realeas a driver if he crosses it. Like this:



Could work, and would make unsafe realeases less likley.

[komninosm]

Heh, your bias keeps shining through guys. Just face it. They didn't want to help Ferrari. Brawn mechanics were not obligated to help (I don't really see a safety issue, the fuel was spilled already), but they weren't forbidden either. What they chose to do was their business. Let's move on to the other matter. The fact that Massa was unsafely released right next to another car and nearly crashed into it, while Heikki was released "safely" (well) ahead of Rai. He shouldn't have gotten a penalty (not that it matters for points, but it's just hilarious how you immediately complained that they didn't issue a penalty at first). Also you avoided to comment on the 50k penalty for McLaren, 5 times bigger than the 10k penalty that Ferrari got.
So shut up or put up...

[James]

I'm not bothered at all whether it was legal for Brawn to get involved with Heikki's car - what I thought was fantastic was that they were over there without a second thought, sorted his car out then sent him on his way back into the race.

It's the kind of "mucking in" attitude of helping your fellow competitor that would be seen in most club racing paddocks but which I expected would be absent from the ultra-serious world of F1!

Thats exactly what should happen in F1. Trying to keep as many cars in the feild as you can should be in the rules, and thus things like this permitted. Lets face it, you cant help what the choo-choo driver is gonna do to Sutil and that gets the SCD up on the timing screen, and when a team sees the SCD up, they red mist decends as its the only way they can make up places leagaly during a SCD period.

If it was illegal, what the FIA should have is a wee guy down at the end of the pits whos job it is to realease a hose when a Massa or Hekki incedent occurs. But refuling is going soon so that isnt gonna be any good soon.

Altho, what id do to avoid unsafe realeases is have lines painted accross the fsat lane in the pits that a lolly guy cannot realeas a driver if he crosses it. Like this:



Could work, and would make unsafe realeases less likley.

I like the marked line idea. With all the cars traveling at the same speed it would provide an clear cut way of knowing what is safe and who should be penalised. It's way to subjective and inconsistant at the moment. It would also take a lot of pressure of the lolipop guys, the red bull's have been particularly bad this year

[ISLAMATRON]

So there would have to be a line for each pit box right? With 26 or 28 cars on the grid next year F1 should really look into this, even without refueling, the mad dash for tires during an SC will definitely crowd the pits.

[James]

Maybe it would be hard to see the floor when stood in front of a pitted car, but some kind of marking maybe on the pit wall sounds like a good idea.

[Mr Alcatraz]

OMG! It doesn't matter who pulls the thing out...SAFETY comes first!!

Anyone who can't grasp that concept doesn't belong near other human beings!

If you noticed Heikki's reaction he is surprised when the Brawn guys pull the hose off his car.

In the interests of Safety and sporting behaviour pull that hose out as fast as possible was the best thing.

I'm truely delighted that we won't see another Ferrari fireball etc next year with the lack of refueling.

Hero of the race for me is Kimi who drove with petrol stung eyes for the whole race and was still competative. How many other men on that grid could?

+One

I am a full dues paying Tifosi,
and have no problem with the Brawn boys coming to the aid of McLaren and defusing a potential catastrophe.
I'd like to think that they weren’t exactly concerned about who the engine supplier was at that particular moment.
But for the sake of argument, argue on boys

[andartop]

So, I imagine all the people here who agree there was no foul play would hold the same opinion had the same thing happened with Felipe and the Torro Rosso mechanics in a Championship deciding race and he then went on to win the race and the title..

And I guess it would be alright then as well for Alonso at Hungary to have had his front wheel secured by, say, RBR mechanics and then go on and win that race.

Would it also be ok in your opinion, in the name of safety, for a driver to have a full pitstop at another team's garage to avoid waiting behind his team mate if they both had to come in at the same time? Waiting in line could be dangerous after all as the engine could overheat and cause a fire with all those fumes around..

PS. @Komninosm: you're more than welcome to post your arguments and your opinion in regards to the topic of this thread, but if you keep insulting and swearing the mods will be after you soon..