2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[catent]

It's water under the bridge at this point, but I wonder if finding a way to keep Binotto on the technical staff without serving as TP and having to manage operational aspects, would've been an ideal outcome. Obviously Leclerc's relationship with Binotto had deteriorated and that may have made such an arrangement untenable.

Ferrari certainly has demonstrated some technical ability over the past 6-8+ years, but seem to lack a certain perspective and polish; they seem to often miss the forest for the trees in terms of development direction. Taking someone like Serra, with his experience and perspective acquired during his time at Mercedes, and putting his mind together with Binotto and those more familiar with Ferrari's technical department, may have led to some positive synergy.

[FDD]

What Ferrari needs at the first place is
Luca Cordero di Montezemolo
or someone like him.
If we talk for HR needs.
Putting aside that, we have to give time to this package.
I think that FV made a good job until now, so let's sit and wait...

[codetower]

What people fail to understand is that it's never about one person. It's not about Newey, not about Fred, not about Horner or Toto or Verstappen. It's the collective mix of ingredients that make success. Newey/Horner alone won't make a championship team, neither will Verstappen alone. Mercedes didn't have either during their run, neither did Ferrari. And McLaren doesn't have either of them today. If Ferrari hire Horner, he might build a winning team, but odds are that he wont. And I personally don't believe Newey alone will turn Aston into a championship team either. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but thats not how things work. It takes more than any one single ingredient.

I think Ferrari needs to keep improving the areas where they are falling short, and right now I don't think it's the TP.

[ClarkBT11]

Just a couple of questions I'm not in the know about... What evidence is there that a TP at Ferrari don't have total control? What limits the TP in decisions?

[Luscion]

Just a couple of questions I'm not in the know about... What evidence is there that a TP at Ferrari don't have total control? What limits the TP in decisions?

From Autoracer's livestream

Ferrari: It is difficult to interpret the words of Benedetto Vigna. He remained very vague but with a slight tendency toward Vasseur's permanence. There are intentions from the Scuderia to create a new structure where Vasseur would have less power, while Vasseur would like even more authority. So, this is somewhat the real issue today, and it’s not certain that an agreement will be reached.

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bn_01CgeO74

[ScuderiaLeo]

So far signs point to that if Vasseur isn't renewed, they'd be bringing in Coletta, not anyone external.

But I do hope Vasseur and Ferrari can reach an agreement.

[ClarkBT11]

Just a couple of questions I'm not in the know about... What evidence is there that a TP at Ferrari don't have total control? What limits the TP in decisions?

From Autoracer's livestream

Ferrari: It is difficult to interpret the words of Benedetto Vigna. He remained very vague but with a slight tendency toward Vasseur's permanence. There are intentions from the Scuderia to create a new structure where Vasseur would have less power, while Vasseur would like even more authority. So, this is somewhat the real issue today, and it’s not certain that an agreement will be reached.

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bn_01CgeO74

Thanks,

Do you think it's because Ferrari are scared about damaging their brand amongst other things?

[gastonmazzacane]

What Ferrari needs at the first place is
Luca Cordero di Montezemolo
or someone like him.
If we talk for HR needs.
Putting aside that, we have to give time to this package.
I think that FV made a good job until now, so let's sit and wait...

He is a Mclaren guy now.

[Sylv1]

As for a possible recruitment of Horner, let's not forget the gardening period. Even if Vigna/Elkann want to replace Vasseur with Horner, the latter will not be released by Red Bull without notice despite a dismissal.

[sypack]

As for a possible recruitment of Horner, let's not forget the gardening period. Even if Vigna/Elkann want to replace Vasseur with Horner, the latter will not be released by Red Bull without notice despite a dismissal.

Horner got sacked, so not sure if he'll get a gardening leave.

[Tvetovnato]

Ferrari can put any TP in place, and still get the same results. As long as they don’t make any long term commitment and trust the guy they put in that role, this will continue. Crazy that they don’t realize it after all these years.

[miguelalvesreis]

As for a possible recruitment of Horner, let's not forget the gardening period. Even if Vigna/Elkann want to replace Vasseur with Horner, the latter will not be released by Red Bull without notice despite a dismissal.

Horner got sacked, so not sure if he'll get a gardening leave.

Sacked from his CEO duties on RBR but remains an employee or RB

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[Macklaren]

Thanks,

Do you think it's because Ferrari are scared about damaging their brand amongst other things?

It's almost impossible to see how a TP at an F1 team can damage your brand (Horner example notwithstanding but that behavior will not be tolerated of any employee).

On the other hand, meddling team owners/CEOs who hold the team back can be far more damaging for a team that needs to win to keep the brand shiny

[f1316]

As for a possible recruitment of Horner, let's not forget the gardening period. Even if Vigna/Elkann want to replace Vasseur with Horner, the latter will not be released by Red Bull without notice despite a dismissal.

Horner got sacked, so not sure if he'll get a gardening leave.

Sacked from his CEO duties on RBR but remains an employee or RB

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Hmmm seems odd to me that you could terminate someone’s employment - presumably for cause (ie performance) - and still enforce a non-compete. Unless, of course, as your response seems to indicate, he is still being paid and is therefore not strictly terminated (just not being asked to do any work). Still, I suspect he could move if he wanted to and an employment tribunal would be hard pressed to enforce any kind of gardening leave if he was relieved of all his duties (constructive dismissal).

[Macklaren]

Horner got sacked, so not sure if he'll get a gardening leave.

Sacked from his CEO duties on RBR but remains an employee or RB

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Hmmm seems odd to me that you could terminate someone’s employment - presumably for cause (ie performance) - and still enforce a non-compete. Unless, of course, as your response seems to indicate, he is still being paid and is therefore not strictly terminated (just not being asked to do any work). Still, I suspect he could move if he wanted to and an employment tribunal would be hard pressed to enforce any kind of gardening leave if he was relieved of all his duties (constructive dismissal).

Probably no different than drivers being asked to leave while still getting paid (Perez, Danny Ric, Kimi back in the day)