WEC 2025

[AR3-GP]

I most certainly don’t understand how almost every brand had a period of bad bop but porsche basically is never really punished by it despite obviously showing good pace every race.

This is a technical forum. Stick to the data. Porsche hasn't been within the 0.3-0.4% performance target window in any of the first 3 races. Their best race laps were 1+ seconds slower than Ferrari in Qatar, Imola, and Spa...not to mention their dire race pace. They've had objectively BAD bop for first 3 rounds. They've been averaging between 0.5-0.8% off the pace. Stop spreading misinformation about the BOP system. There are many new users visiting the topic.

Qatar:


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Imola:

https://racestats.equipe43.com/imola-fi ... ve-speeds/

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[AR3-GP]

So, Cadillac on pole then and with the best pace overall. Good to know. Maybe they should wait to announce the BoP until after hyperpole so it becomes worth watching. Too much can happen in an 8 hour race for the result to be predictable in the end, but I’m more and more convinced that they need to scrap this format and put a cost cap in place with one set of technical regulations.

And I was right, even a 1-2. What a failure of a BoP process.

Cadillacs were 1-2 after qualifying at Le Mans.

[dialtone]

I most certainly don’t understand how almost every brand had a period of bad bop but porsche basically is never really punished by it despite obviously showing good pace every race.

This is a technical forum. Stick to the data. Porsche hasn't been within the 0.3-0.4% performance target window in any of the first 3 races. Their best race laps were 1+ seconds slower than Ferrari in Qatar, Imola, and Spa...not to mention their dire race pace. They've had objectively BAD bop for first 3 rounds. They've been averaging between 0.5-0.8% off the pace. Stop spreading misinformation about the BOP system. There are many new users visiting the topic.

Well, my memory failed me then.

This race porsche is in its own bop bracket though.

[dialtone]

So, Cadillac on pole then and with the best pace overall. Good to know. Maybe they should wait to announce the BoP until after hyperpole so it becomes worth watching. Too much can happen in an 8 hour race for the result to be predictable in the end, but I’m more and more convinced that they need to scrap this format and put a cost cap in place with one set of technical regulations.

I don't think Cadillac will have it their way. They have said they expect a difficult weekend. The car does not suit a low-medium speed track like Sao Paolo. They need high speed corners to be quick. Sao Paolo eats tires and they have too much tire deg.

I think we are finally seeing the right balance between the LMDh cars and the LMH cars of Ferrari and Toyota. Ferrari and Toyota should always be heavier and with less power.

This is a technical forum AR3-GP.

I was waiting to send this reply to see the race and have confirmation. Ferrari is now 10s from being lapped not even 1 hour into the race, Toyota is right there with them as well just slightly slower than Ferrari.

To my eyes you have lost all credibility in your performance evaluations of BoP, I hope you realize how wrong you have been about this topic, but who am I kidding, no you won't.

[AR3-GP]

Cracking battle for the lead!

[Tvetovnato]

I most certainly don’t understand how almost every brand had a period of bad bop but porsche basically is never really punished by it despite obviously showing good pace every race.

This is a technical forum. Stick to the data. Porsche hasn't been within the 0.3-0.4% performance target window in any of the first 3 races. Their best race laps were 1+ seconds slower than Ferrari in Qatar, Imola, and Spa...not to mention their dire race pace. They've had objectively BAD bop for first 3 rounds. They've been averaging between 0.5-0.8% off the pace. Stop spreading misinformation about the BOP system. There are many new users visiting the topic.

Well, my memory failed me then.

This race porsche is in its own bop bracket though.

Own BoP bracket? The Cadillac is more than 10 kg lighter and more powerful this race. Those 10 kgs show at the moment well into stint 2. The talk of the Cadillac having tyre wear issues is not showing. Looking at that car over the past few seasons overall, both in WEC but especially IMSA, there is hardly any evidence that backs the tyre wear issue up. Whenever the Cadi has been 10 kg (or more) lighter than the Porsche, it has most often dominated Q in comparison to it, and had better tyre wear. Which is logical.

The LMDhs can be pretty much completely balanced now that the cars have matured. The LMHs also can be balanced between eachother, but needs to be heavier and less powerful than the LMDh, but definitely not as much as they are this race. They are doing to Ferrari what they did to Porsche in Watkins Glen this year, basically forbidding them from winning (although Porsche were even worse off there than Ferrari is this race). What they are doing to Toyota is pretty much the same. That is NOT how BoP should be used. It’s not a balancing tool now, it’s a punishment tool.

[dialtone]

This is a technical forum. Stick to the data. Porsche hasn't been within the 0.3-0.4% performance target window in any of the first 3 races. Their best race laps were 1+ seconds slower than Ferrari in Qatar, Imola, and Spa...not to mention their dire race pace. They've had objectively BAD bop for first 3 rounds. They've been averaging between 0.5-0.8% off the pace. Stop spreading misinformation about the BOP system. There are many new users visiting the topic.

Well, my memory failed me then.

This race porsche is in its own bop bracket though.

Own BoP bracket? The Cadillac is more than 10 kg lighter and more powerful this race. Those 10 kgs show at the moment well into stint 2. The talk of the Cadillac having tyre wear issues is not showing. Looking at that car over the past few seasons overall, both in WEC but especially IMSA, there is hardly any evidence that backs the tyre wear issue up. Whenever the Cadi has been 10 kg (or more) lighter than the Porsche, it has most often dominated Q in comparison to it, and had better tyre wear. Which is logical.

The LMDhs can be pretty much completely balanced now that the cars have matured. The LMHs also can be balanced between eachother, but needs to be heavier and less powerful than the LMDh, but definitely not as much as they are this race. They are doing to Ferrari what they did to Porsche in Watkins Glen this year, basically forbidding them from winning (although Porsche were even worse off there than Ferrari is this race). What they are doing to Toyota is pretty much the same. That is NOT how BoP should be used. It’s not a balancing tool now, it’s a punishment tool.

Fair enough on the Cadillac, I will say in Lemans they just fell like a rock after they were 1-2 in quali.

Every car but the top 5 is lapped not even halfway through the race. This is a show of complete incompetence, it also makes no sense whatsoever to not use Lemans performance data after Lemans to balance the cars.

[AR3-GP]

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[dialtone]

Cadillac has got to feel slightly embarrassed to accept the trophies today as Ferrari should have been earlier in the year. Do teams actually want to win like this?

You wrote that this was the best BOP pre-race.

[AR3-GP]

Cadillac has got to feel slightly embarrassed to accept the trophies today as Ferrari should have been earlier in the year. Do teams actually want to win like this?

You wrote that this was the best BOP pre-race.

You also wrote that Porsche was in their own time bracket. What is your point? The race itself shows that Cadillac are dominating and it should not be possible in a BOP championship.

Ferrari and Toyota should be heavier and with less power than every LMDh car but not this much on this track.

[Tvetovnato]

First time I shut it off well before the end. What a farce lol. No credibility whatsoever.

[AR3-GP]

Drive through for the 51. Both the 50 and the 51 are just too sloppy.

[dialtone]

1-2 Cadillac
3-4 Porsche
5 BMW (only one finishing)
6-7 Peugeot
a bit of a mix here
11-12 Ferrari
13 Aston Martin with competent drivers
14-15 Toyota

Easily the worst BOP of the last 3 years in this race including also the gaps between brands, and I don't care that Ferrari didn't win, it's obviously a sign of a bad balance when constructors finish in pairs after 6 hours.

I think the person that executed the BoP before this race also commented about his job: "I think we are finally seeing the right balance between the LMDh cars and the LMH cars of Ferrari and Toyota. Ferrari and Toyota should always be heavier and with less power." Then proceeded to give himself a promotion and raise.

[Tvetovnato]

Remember also that the result is fake in the sense that both Toyota and Ferrari are making it looking way worse than it is in reality now. Because why would they even try now and potentially jeopardize the coming BoP gift for next season? Ferrari has won all they want already, Toyota has nothing to fight for whatsoever. So guys, who would like to take the next win? Aston maybe, just for publicity? Wouldn’t that be a nice fairytale story with an Aston 1-2, three minutes ahead in their first season?