2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[dans79]

Vasseur said that the '25 car is 99% different than the '24 car.

And you believe that blatant hype?

[Jurgen von Diaz]

This is insanity to me. Genuinely.

You talk about Kimi's 'prime', but he was only 27 years old when he joined Ferrari. In what world is 27 not somebody's prime?

Ferrari bought into the same myth that people like you did - that Kimi was a top driver. But the hiring quite obviously proved otherwise. Even in 2007, his advantage over Massa was slight. And then in 2008, the reverse happened and Kimi was convincingly beat by Massa. He was beat by Felipe Massa in a title winning car, when things mattered most.

This would never, ever happen to any top driver. And just to make things super clear, in 2009 with completely new regs, Kimi again proved no better than Massa overall.

Then Kimi leaves to Lotus and Alonso replaces him and monsters Massa. While Kimi again doesn't face any sort of tough driver as teammate, but has a great car.

How do you honestly not see the pattern? So many of y'all had this impression of Kimi as some top driver, but when this was disproven quite definitively, y'all still had a lingering memory of thinking Kimi was great, instead of actually ever revising your opinion. Basically, your first impression of Kimi was too strong for clear evidence to overcome.

Have to disagree. Kimi at Mclaren surely was fast, why the hell Ferrari were hiring him to Schumacher's seat? Massa after the spring accident wasn't Massa anymore.

You even dislike Kimi's Lotus season, meanwhile the team principal ranked him at the time P3 and P4 best driver on the grid, and AGAIN Ferrari hired him because he clearly was the best available driver at the moment. But after that, we know pairing with Alonso is like pairing with Schumacher, and prime-Kimi was gone on the second Ferrari stint.

I think the reality was that the Michelin tyres particularly suited Kimi’s style and with them he was very fast and able to beat the likes of Montoya. His change in form has nothing to do with his “prime” but the switch to Bridgestones and the fact that, if he no longer drive the way he ultimately preferred, he was only a good and not a great driver.

It’s debatable whether Massa was a different driver after his crash but also a myth that he was getting close to Michael in 2006 - Michael had a very clear speed margin throughout the season, including the final two races where Massa got pole (Japan because Michael had A LOT more fuel; Brazil because Michael had reliability issues). So I think it’s unlikely that he suddenly got better in 2007 and then fell off again from 2010 - he was also just a good but not great driver. Then you look at Kimi’s other teammates: he was generally fairly successful at Lotus but in hindsight there were too many times that Grosjean beat him, given we now know that Romain was nothing special; Alonso then destroyed him and so did Seb, by and large.

So on both Bridgestones and Pirelli’s, he was unable to adapt sufficiently to be a truly top guy. If Michelin had stuck around, might have been a different story.

I don't know what you guys expect from a comeback, but surely Kimi's comeback was way more successful than other champions like Alonso's and Schumacher's one. Kimi even advanced back to the top team, Ferrari.

[Jurgen von Diaz]

Vasseur said that the '25 car is 99% different than the '24 car.

And you believe that blatant hype?

As much as that 1,5 year ago sacked driver is guilty for their problems nowadays.

[ClarkBT11]

No one knows anything it's all speculation, move on... Life doesn't have to be that difficult

[Jurgen von Diaz]

Just inspecting what Ferrari says and what Italian media says, is it fake news or not.

[woocasz]

What can we expect this weekend? 1-2 for Ferrari?

[deadhead]

What can we expect this weekend? 1-2 for Ferrari?

One car on the podium IF it doesn’t rain

[Fakepivot]

What can we expect this weekend? 1-2 for Ferrari?

with that weather, p4 and p5 and outscore those mercs

[Jurgen von Diaz]

If it rains, Hamilton is strong.

[dren]

Please just beat the freakin Mclarens.

[Space-heat]

Charles comments of "Extreme settings with the new suspension? We still need to configure the car in a relatively similar way to get the best out of it." with Lewis' no difference in the simulator doesn't inspire the 3-tenths a lap jump I have been willing since China...at least it will be clear by Sunday...until we get Fred discussing optimising new parts and team execution.

[DJ Downforce]

Uhhh I think the Kimi Raikkonen discussion isn't really relevant for this thread.

But for the record, I agree with Seanspeed. It was also annoying that he stuck around after 2018 when it was clear he didn't have the passion he may have once had.

[Luscion]

Charles comments of "Extreme settings with the new suspension? We still need to configure the car in a relatively similar way to get the best out of it." with Lewis' no difference in the simulator doesn't inspire the 3-tenths a lap jump I have been willing since China...at least it will be clear by Sunday...until we get Fred discussing optimising new parts and team execution.

i think theyre just downplaying it, Lewis was saying they didnt do any tests of the suspension at Mugello and it was just a filming day, which based on reports and pictures we know isnt true

[Fakepivot]

Lewis - “But it’s a huge organisation, and there are a lot of moving parts. And not all of them are firing on all the cylinders that they need to be. That’s ultimately why the team has not had the success that I think it deserves.

“So I feel that it’s my job to challenge absolutely every area, to challenge everybody in the team. Particularly the guys that are at the top who are making the decisions."

i thought that was interesting bit from lewis interview

here is the full quote " https://www.racefans.net/2025/07/24/ham ... llow-that/"

[Sphere3758]

Lewis - “But it’s a huge organisation, and there are a lot of moving parts. And not all of them are firing on all the cylinders that they need to be. That’s ultimately why the team has not had the success that I think it deserves.

“So I feel that it’s my job to challenge absolutely every area, to challenge everybody in the team. Particularly the guys that are at the top who are making the decisions."

i thought that was interesting bit from lewis interview

here is the full quote " https://www.racefans.net/2025/07/24/ham ... llow-that/"

If he doesn’t close the gap to Charles more consistently and actually beat him on merit more than once every half season, he could include the question of his own hiring with the top management too