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[Valencia2012]

Max schooling both mclaren drivers once again, despite driving a car half a second slower. Flawless execution.

Remember how last year he got pole by 0,6 yet ended up stuck P6?

Yeah…where was the “schooling” then?

Qualifying was in the rain last year just for your information.

[AR3-GP]

The increase of downforce yesterday was the addition of a gurney flap and the old front wing which didn't have the flap trim.

FP1 (front and rear wing)



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Sprint Qualy/Race:

[Emag]

They may go for a different beam wing configuration going forward, because Sunday is very likely to be affected by rain at some degree. I assume they would want to avoid a repeat of Silverstone.

[CjC]

Max schooling both mclaren drivers once again, despite driving a car half a second slower. Flawless execution.

Remember how last year he got pole by 0,6 yet ended up stuck P6?

Yeah…where was the “schooling” then?

And don’t forget Max was on pole at Silverstone but spun round on one of the restarts….
But as we know that was the car schooling the entire field in Silverstone not Lando and Oscar…

Max is good yes but all he had to do to make sure he won the sprint was to keep his foot pinned on the straight to maintain his straight line speed advantage. None of the top 3 in the sprint made a mistake but Max still some how schooled them

[DDopey]

Imo the way Max managed the setup to and taking the first corner was what gave him the advantage on the straight. That was brilliant management and made that Piastri couldn't overtake Max. I think it's a bit silly to not recognize that and just say it's the car.

[Jurgen von Diaz]

A monkey could have driven that RB21 to sprint win, get that silly Dutchman out of the car already. Nevermind tsunoda was 1.5s slower on average. And yes, I know he's not on same spec, but old spec is not 1.5s slower.

That is not what I am saying at all, but somehow fans of teams/drivers intepret things like that if you don’t agree with their extreme praise of their team or driver. But not everything is black and white. In fact, nothing is when analysing this sport.

It was a good effort by Max as usual, and yes, he is one of few if not the only one who can drive that car that fast. But that is not the point here. The point is that you said that Max was schooling the McLaren drivers because he beat them, and I do not agree. Piastri did exactly what he could, and Norris too. Well within DRS range and around 0,5-6 behind all through the lap almost all laps, even 0,3 at the beginning of the DRS zone and still not passing setup related. Max actually even made a mistake in the bus stop with Piastri right behind, and still there was no pass.

It was a good performance by all of them, and Max came out on top. It can be like that as well.

It's always this narrative that McLaren driver have to be sh*t and Max a god.
If Max wins, he is pulling miracles. If Max doesn't win, he is pulling miracles.
If Max finishes the race far from McLaren, the McLaren is a rocketship and RedBull is a boat, but Max is pulling miracles to finish within 30s against that overpowered car.
If Max finishes the race close to McLaren, the McLaren is still a rocketship, but the drivers are so bad they can't get the pace out of it, while Max is pulling miracles to stay within touching distances.

If you remove these preconceptions it's pretty easy to see that the cars have their strengths and weaknesses. McLaren is undoubtedly the best and the most balanced car on the grid, but when things work out for the opposition where they can exploit their strengths to the maximum while minimizing their weaknesses, McLaren can be beaten. It is what happened with this Sprint as well.

Of course you need the driver to drive the car to its limit. Max may be the only driver in the grid who can consistently manage to pull off such a thing. But on a sprint race where Max could afford a mistake and still the following car couldn't even get alongside him in the Kemmel straight, calling it "schooling" and a "miracle drive" is a bit of a stretch ...

You are talking about Mclarens and Max. See, you can't even talk about Red Bull cause:

It's Max who is winning the races, not Red Bull

— Toto Wolff

[CjC]

-Toto Wolff who’s publicly trying to negotiate Max into his car- I wouldn’t expect anything less from Toto.

[CjC]

Imo the way Max managed the setup to and taking the first corner was what gave him the advantage on the straight. That was brilliant management and made that Piastri couldn't overtake Max. I think it's a bit silly to not recognize that and just say it's the car.

He did and bravo to Max for that. He drove to his cars strengths.
In a 15 lap sprint the McLaren drivers couldn’t utilise their cars strengths so Max rightfully won the Sprint.

[Emag]

That’s RedBull’s problem that they have built a one-man team and cant get anyone in the second seat to get anywhere near what the car allows.

If you think Max is legitemately 1.5 seconds faster than Tsunoda, why isn’t Max driving the Racing Bull? Hadjar is doing better than Tsunoda in the RedBull, and Tsunoda was on par with him before the switch. Max should be able to win the championship in the Racing Bull by this logic.

I am talking about Max in singular because its pretty obvious the other driver is nowhere. You always refer to the lead driver for the team when there’s such a huge performance gap between teammates. Alonso in 2012 is another example. The other driver not being able to exploit the car to the fullest, doesnt mean the car is horrible. It can’t be that bad when the lead driver manages to win races with it.

I dont want to take credit away from the driver when they exploit their package to the fullest, but when some people claim the car is barely 4th fastest is rather laughable. Ferrari is fighting with huge problems with their car, obvious ones at that and haven’t managed a single win so far with arguably the best lineup in 2025. You’re telling me that this RedBull is (overall) worse than Ferrari?

[Darth-Piekus]

That’s RedBull’s problem that they have built a one-man team and cant get anyone in the second seat to get anywhere near what the car allows.

If you think Max is legitemately 1.5 seconds faster than Tsunoda, why isn’t Max driving the Racing Bull? Hadjar is doing better than Tsunoda in the RedBull, and Tsunoda was on par with him before the switch. Max should be able to win the championship in the Racing Bull by this logic.

I am talking about Max in singular because its pretty obvious the other driver is nowhere. You always refer to the lead driver for the team when there’s such a huge performance gap between teammates. Alonso in 2012 is another example. The other driver not being able to exploit the car to the fullest, doesnt mean the car is horrible. It can’t be that bad when the lead driver manages to win races with it.

I dont want to take credit away from the driver when they exploit their package to the fullest, but when some people claim the car is barely 4th fastest is rather laughable. Ferrari is fighting with huge problems with their car, obvious ones at that and haven’t managed a single win so far with arguably the best lineup in 2025. You’re telling me that this RedBull is (overall) worse than Ferrari?

People tend to use hyperboles a lot when it comes to their favorite driver.

[Watto]

That’s RedBull’s problem that they have built a one-man team and cant get anyone in the second seat to get anywhere near what the car allows.

If you think Max is legitemately 1.5 seconds faster than Tsunoda, why isn’t Max driving the Racing Bull? Hadjar is doing better than Tsunoda in the RedBull, and Tsunoda was on par with him before the switch. Max should be able to win the championship in the Racing Bull by this logic.

I am talking about Max in singular because its pretty obvious the other driver is nowhere. You always refer to the lead driver for the team when there’s such a huge performance gap between teammates. Alonso in 2012 is another example. The other driver not being able to exploit the car to the fullest, doesnt mean the car is horrible. It can’t be that bad when the lead driver manages to win races with it.

I dont want to take credit away from the driver when they exploit their package to the fullest, but when some people claim the car is barely 4th fastest is rather laughable. Ferrari is fighting with huge problems with their car, obvious ones at that and haven’t managed a single win so far with arguably the best lineup in 2025. You’re telling me that this RedBull is (overall) worse than Ferrari?

People tend to use hyperboles a lot when it comes to their favorite driver.

A bit like you with Oscar over in the McLaren thread?


Was a very solid drive by Max I think today. Not quite an only Max could have done that but putting the car in the rice place at critical times lap after lap on what was a much quicker car in free air.

[CjC]

More wing on the Red Bull

[Sergej]

Very loaded wing today.

[avantman]

More wing on the Red Bull

He is winning races in a car that is nowhere near as fast or strong overall as the Mclaren. That in itself can be considered schooling, I don't it that implies necessarily that mclaren drivers drive poorly, but they still allow Max winning. Did you see them winning races ahead of Max in 2024 let alone in 2023 when Max red bull was so much faster and better car overall? in any format? I do not think that has happened once, at best they could win when it was close, like Jeddah this year, and still I do remember hearing (or reading) from Mclaren fans how 'Oscar schooled Max'.

Mcalren drivers were not necessarily driving poorly during the Sprint, but still they should not have allowed Max winning if they are so good strong drivers, by taking the front row in SQ to start with.
Lando 6 tenths deficit to Oscar is as embarrassing as Oscar deficit of 4 tenths to Lando in Austria. Did not cost them anything there, costed them at Spa. Even if that is completely irrelevant from a championship point of view, they drivers aim to win every race, every quali to get and stay ahead.
So, it that sense he is schooling them. They both know very well their car is well good enough to win every since race this year. They are not though.

[Watto]

Ted saying the higher DF rear win losing him 0.3s in S1, but gains 0.6 in S2