2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[F1Sara]

Van Haren says Max is definitely staying at Red Bull next year, exit clause has expired as well.

Dutch aricle Van Haren

https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/autospor ... 45199.html

[Xyz22]

Did Yuki forget he had updated floor which gave him 'extra load he felt immediately' [makes me question if he knew he also had much more loaded wings as well not just new floor for Quali] and 0.5s of lap time? 54 seconds behind Max...

His race was over when they pitted him too late.

[AR3-GP]

Did Yuki forget he had updated floor which gave him 'extra load he felt immediately' [makes me question if he knew he also had much more loaded wings as well not just new floor for Quali] and 0.5s of lap time? 54 seconds behind Max...

His race was over when they pitted him too late.

Surely the car was good enough with its mythical floor upgrade to fend off a Haas and a Sauber with 3 laps to go? If he couldn't fend off a Haas and a Sauber, how was he going to stay in the top 10? Lawson and Hadjar were even faster than Bearman and Hulkenberg.

[Juzh]

I think Hulk was on fresh mediums and had the pace of mclarens at that stage.

[AR3-GP]

I think Hulk was on fresh mediums and had the pace of mclarens at that stage.

If he held off the Haas (who had a barn door wing btw), then Hulkenberg would never have gotten to him in time.

[AR3-GP]

In Silverstone they had the low downforce wing with the dry setup. Race control was so eager to have that race started even with the showers, spray, and low visibility. They switched the DRS on in record time on a wet track. In Spa Red Bull gamble on actually racing in the wet like Silverstone. Race control starts the race after the track is nearly dry...then refuses to switch on the DRS until it's bone dry and everybody is on slicks. I wouldn't call it deliberate but there's no consistency in this championship except Max consistently getting screwed since Austria.

[Seanspeed]

clearly not as fast? based on? I never saw max coming even in the DRS range once all race on medium.

Ferrari was quite obviously slower on inters

Ferrari? You mean Leclerc specifically, because Hamilton was the fastest car on track except for 2 Mclaren. Leclerc is bellow average driver in such conditions and yeah he had lower downforce setup which did not suit the conditions and very short first stint. On medium he easily drove away. never looking like he was driving a slower car. and by the way, neither in Austria nor at Silverstone did that Ferrari (even driven by 40+ old Lewis) looked like a slower car than the RB21. Ferrari is already faster again,just like they were last year. The only surprise it took them so long this year.

Leclerc is not 'below average' in wet conditions. lol The guy still held Max back in a car with a worse setup for the conditions. Truth is the Ferrari itself has never had the characteristics to excel in the wet. And it was much easier for Lewis to look good temporarily when he reverted his whole setup to be good in the wet, and it's why his progress completely stalled out when things dried out and even a Williams was out of his reach.

I think a big question mark of whether the Ferrari is actually faster than the Red Bull right now cannot be answered with this one mixed situation. Clearly in the Sprint race where conditions were consistent, Max/RB was well ahead.

[Mansell89]

Was incredibly surprised to see the RBR clipping today down the straight and preventing any overtake on LeClerc.

Perhaps I’m remembering it wrong but is that not a role reversal with Merc from a couple of years ago where Merc PU was clipping whilst Honda (and Ferrari) navigated the electrical energy challenges really well?

[pantherxxx]

In Silverstone they had the low downforce wing with the dry setup. Race control was so eager to have that race started even with the showers, spray, and low visibility. They switched the DRS on in record time on a wet track. In Spa Red Bull gamble on actually racing in the wet like Silverstone. Race control starts the race after the track is nearly dry...then refuses to switch on the DRS until it's bone dry and everybody is on slicks. I wouldn't call it deliberate but there's no consistency in this championship except Max consistently getting screwed since Austria.

Hard to believe it was not deliberate. This whole game is fixed.

[AR3-GP]

In Silverstone they had the low downforce wing with the dry setup. Race control was so eager to have that race started even with the showers, spray, and low visibility. They switched the DRS on in record time on a wet track. In Spa Red Bull gamble on actually racing in the wet like Silverstone. Race control starts the race after the track is nearly dry...then refuses to switch on the DRS until it's bone dry and everybody is on slicks. I wouldn't call it deliberate but there's no consistency in this championship except Max consistently getting screwed since Austria.

Hard to believe it was not deliberate. This whole game is fixed.

Max's engineer:

Rennie continued: “Yeah, understood. I think, if we knew the conditions were going to be like this, that we weren’t going to be driving in the wet much, then, yeah, it would have changed our rear wing choice.”

https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/lauren ... -red-bull/

A waste.


Don't get your hopes up for Hungary. That will be a bloodbath. This car does not turn.

[Seanspeed]

In Silverstone they had the low downforce wing with the dry setup. Race control was so eager to have that race started even with the showers, spray, and low visibility. They switched the DRS on in record time on a wet track. In Spa Red Bull gamble on actually racing in the wet like Silverstone. Race control starts the race after the track is nearly dry...then refuses to switch on the DRS until it's bone dry and everybody is on slicks. I wouldn't call it deliberate but there's no consistency in this championship except Max consistently getting screwed since Austria.

Hard to believe it was not deliberate. This whole game is fixed.

I dont think it was intentional, it's just race direction's typical insane inconsistency.

But just generally, any leaning towards not letting them run in proper wet conditions is going to hinder Max's chances given he's the best driver on the grid.

[Watto]

In Silverstone they had the low downforce wing with the dry setup. Race control was so eager to have that race started even with the showers, spray, and low visibility. They switched the DRS on in record time on a wet track. In Spa Red Bull gamble on actually racing in the wet like Silverstone. Race control starts the race after the track is nearly dry...then refuses to switch on the DRS until it's bone dry and everybody is on slicks. I wouldn't call it deliberate but there's no consistency in this championship except Max consistently getting screwed since Austria.

Hard to believe it was not deliberate. This whole game is fixed.

I dont think it was intentional, it's just race direction's typical insane inconsistency.

But just generally, any leaning towards not letting them run in proper wet conditions is going to hinder Max's chances given he's the best driver on the grid.

Yep I don't think its intentional just as you said inconsistent. But doing a single lap under the SC to access the conditions I tend do wonder if they even really wanted to start the race. I do think if visibility stayed that way it was too dangerous. But half a dozen laps behind the SC clear some water see how well it cleared up of if the trees etc just held the spray in and figure it out from there. The cars are the best way of drying the track you only have to look at how quick a dry line appeared. I just don't even think they had the slightest intention of starting the race.

[Seanspeed]

Hard to believe it was not deliberate. This whole game is fixed.

I dont think it was intentional, it's just race direction's typical insane inconsistency.

But just generally, any leaning towards not letting them run in proper wet conditions is going to hinder Max's chances given he's the best driver on the grid.

Yep I don't think its intentional just as you said inconsistent. But doing a single lap under the SC to access the conditions I tend do wonder if they even really wanted to start the race. I do think if visibility stayed that way it was too dangerous. But half a dozen laps behind the SC clear some water see how well it cleared up of if the trees etc just held the spray in and figure it out from there. The cars are the best way of drying the track you only have to look at how quick a dry line appeared. I just don't even think they had the slightest intention of starting the race.

We're gonna have race direction calling a red flag cuz they felt a spot of rain on their head before too long.

[AR3-GP]

max: “we had made a choice with our set up, but they only allow us to race in conditions that are almost good for slicks.”

“that’s disappointing for everyone. then just say it's better to wait until it's completely dry. because this is not a rainrace.”

Red Bull also switched to an older PU. So they got totally shafted by the decision to wait out all of the rain. Big draggy wing and a power unit that was down on power to get badly exposed in the dry.

[Watto]

I dont think it was intentional, it's just race direction's typical insane inconsistency.

But just generally, any leaning towards not letting them run in proper wet conditions is going to hinder Max's chances given he's the best driver on the grid.

Yep I don't think its intentional just as you said inconsistent. But doing a single lap under the SC to access the conditions I tend do wonder if they even really wanted to start the race. I do think if visibility stayed that way it was too dangerous. But half a dozen laps behind the SC clear some water see how well it cleared up of if the trees etc just held the spray in and figure it out from there. The cars are the best way of drying the track you only have to look at how quick a dry line appeared. I just don't even think they had the slightest intention of starting the race.

We're gonna have race direction calling a red flag cuz they felt a spot of rain on their head before too long.

Its almost feeling that way.


I get the safety side of the argument. If after a bunch of laps behind the SC the conditions had not changed then red flag it and wait. Just don't think the option was ever given. Been plenty of races where they've done the same thing and just seen the cars clear the water after delays.

Looks like Lewis and Max were the only 2 that were critical of the FIA's decision