2025 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, July 25 - 27

[ismail1991]

Most of the epic races we all have seen were mostly in wet.

You mean epic driver performances?
I do not know about really epic races...mostly there was one dominating driver and many things that were rather painful to watch in the last years. Thinking about the Merc mayhem in 2019 and Vettel the year before...that were not better races than the Mercs crashing in Spain. Same for Oz this year, where we had a perfect spray...it just mixed the field, but not really better or worse than a usual dry race.

Both epic drives and epic races with lots of overtaking then dry races across the field

[FW17]

Maybe late to this discussion

Spa is a great circuit and run up the Kemmel Straight is a very good overtaking opportunity, but for some reason some times have a processional race with some difficulty in overtaking, was the case yesterday in the dry.

While Blanchimont is a exciting corner but now it is mostly a flatout corner even on fuel tanks. If lucky with a tyre offset, they can out brake into the next corner.

Will it not be better if the chicane (may be known as bus stop) is moved back to Blanchimont, (maybe faster) to have a proper 1 km start finish straight with DRS? They could even have a DRS straight from Stavelot to the Blanchimont chicane.

[basti313]

Most of the epic races we all have seen were mostly in wet.

You mean epic driver performances?
I do not know about really epic races...mostly there was one dominating driver and many things that were rather painful to watch in the last years. Thinking about the Merc mayhem in 2019 and Vettel the year before...that were not better races than the Mercs crashing in Spain. Same for Oz this year, where we had a perfect spray...it just mixed the field, but not really better or worse than a usual dry race.

Both epic drives and epic races with lots of overtaking then dry races across the field

No. If you look at the top overtaking races with the most overtakes (excluding lap 1 and pits), then you get 2 wet races. All the top 6 races had about 40 to 50 overtakes broadcasted, only the crazy Dutch GP in 22 had more with 59.
Dutch was great because of changing conditions, in the last stint after the red flag, there was no overtaking on the constantly wet track.
So in the last 10 years, you get only 2 of the top 10 highest-overtake races that were clearly rain-affected.

[hollus]

I am not saying he is wrong, I am just asking what did other drivers think out of curiosity. I did not hear all drivers reactions, all I saw was a top3 press conference after the race where they all said it was mostly ok (perhaps the SC could have done 1-2 laps less) considering SPA being dangerous track.

https://www.racefans.net/2025/07/28/f1- ... wet-track/

[ismail1991]

You mean epic driver performances?
I do not know about really epic races...mostly there was one dominating driver and many things that were rather painful to watch in the last years. Thinking about the Merc mayhem in 2019 and Vettel the year before...that were not better races than the Mercs crashing in Spain. Same for Oz this year, where we had a perfect spray...it just mixed the field, but not really better or worse than a usual dry race.

Both epic drives and epic races with lots of overtaking then dry races across the field

No. If you look at the top overtaking races with the most overtakes (excluding lap 1 and pits), then you get 2 wet races. All the top 6 races had about 40 to 50 overtakes broadcasted, only the crazy Dutch GP in 22 had more with 59.
Dutch was great because of changing conditions, in the last stint after the red flag, there was no overtaking on the constantly wet track.
So in the last 10 years, you get only 2 of the top 10 highest-overtake races that were clearly rain-affected.

I have been watching f1 since 2000. The races which I enjoyed most and which I remember like it was yesterday are always wet races. I dont like artificial overtakes with drs . I can name you some epic races from my mind without looking at google. Those are Montreal 2012, Brasil 2016, Brasil 2021, silverstone 2023, germany 2018, turkey 2020. There are some circuits which are fun in dry as well. However, even spa became boring in this era of F1. We definitely need to be able to race in changing and wet conditions. I want to see drivers race like they did in Spa 2008. Every body made mistakes that day, cars were constantly sliding but it was an amazing battle between drivers.

[ismail1991]

You mean epic driver performances?
I do not know about really epic races...mostly there was one dominating driver and many things that were rather painful to watch in the last years. Thinking about the Merc mayhem in 2019 and Vettel the year before...that were not better races than the Mercs crashing in Spain. Same for Oz this year, where we had a perfect spray...it just mixed the field, but not really better or worse than a usual dry race.

Both epic drives and epic races with lots of overtaking then dry races across the field

No. If you look at the top overtaking races with the most overtakes (excluding lap 1 and pits), then you get 2 wet races. All the top 6 races had about 40 to 50 overtakes broadcasted, only the crazy Dutch GP in 22 had more with 59.
Dutch was great because of changing conditions, in the last stint after the red flag, there was no overtaking on the constantly wet track.
So in the last 10 years, you get only 2 of the top 10 highest-overtake races that were clearly rain-affected.

I have been watching f1 since 2000. The races which I enjoyed most and which I remember like it was yesterday are always wet races. I dont like artificial overtakes with drs . I can name you some epic races from my mind without looking at google. Those are Montreal 2012, Brasil 2016, Brasil 2021, silverstone 2023, germany 2018, turkey 2020. There are some circuits which are fun in dry as well. However, even spa became boring in this era of F1. We definitely need to be able to race in changing and wet conditions. I want to see drivers race like they did in Spa 2008. Every body made mistakes that day, cars were constantly sliding but it was an amazing battle between drivers.

[ismail1991]

I dont know why we argue, my point is F1 shouldn't be this much cautious and if the forecast is wet for the race, we should be able to watch it in wet conditions and not wait in front of tv screen 1.5 hour for the start of the race