2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[diffuser]

The only positive thing I can take from all this nonsense... is that my much-admired Colin Chapman was a true genius. Even greater than all the current engineers and supposed wizards of blah blah blah. And the whole current F1 thing with its regulations, TV cameras everywhere, gossip even during races with engineers telling the drivers outlandish things, computers, simulations, and nonsense with weather forecasts based on radar data... virtual and real safety cars... it's rubbish. Sorry, but that's what I really think: they're killing the real F1.

You lost me on the jump to Chapman.

[hollus]

And the post is not for this thread.

[Otromundo]

Hahaha, sorry, Diffuser. The mention of Chapman (whom I've always truly admired) is an irony directed at today's engineers and designers. Mr. Chapman designed his wonderful Lotus cars using intuition, logic, and the help of his creative brain and a pencil. No computers, no simulators. And his cars worked incredibly well. This comment is directed at Mr. Stroll, Mr. Newey, and everyone around them.

I'm unpleasantly surprised that, with the fortune AM has spent on technicians and technology, they didn't foresee the current situation. They should have talked about it when they signed the contracts. And I'm even more surprised that they haven't achieved anything positive.

The long wait for the track to dry drove me to despair. If they don't want wet races, let them say so. That was the final straw. When the race finally started, Alonso was already eliminated. For me, that's not F1.

[Otromundo]

And the post is not for this thread.

I hope I've clarified that point. Although if you think I should delete the comment, I have no problem doing so.

Quite simply, the team's technical direction is driving me crazy.

Edited: Sorry, I'll delete the post. It was an outburst born of frustration. I've been mulling over the current disastrous situation for a while now...

[diffuser]

Hahaha, sorry, Diffuser. The mention of Chapman (whom I've always truly admired) is an irony directed at today's engineers and designers. Mr. Chapman designed his wonderful Lotus cars using intuition, logic, and the help of his creative brain and a pencil. No computers, no simulators. And his cars worked incredibly well. This comment is directed at Mr. Stroll, Mr. Newey, and everyone around them.

I'm unpleasantly surprised that, with the fortune AM has spent on technicians and technology, they didn't foresee the current situation. They should have talked about it when they signed the contracts. And I'm even more surprised that they haven't achieved anything positive.

The long wait for the track to dry drove me to despair. If they don't want wet races, let them say so. That was the final straw. When the race finally started, Alonso was already eliminated. For me, that's not F1.

Sure, they foresaw struggles.

On another subject, I can't say I'm gonna miss this set of regulations. I always thought that one of the best parts of F1 was to see the aerodynamics and in these regs that beauty is hidden.

[Ashwinv16]

Hungary could be a surprise if they put all the new parts together.

[diffuser]

Hungary could be a surprise if they put all the new parts together.

[zoroastar]

Hahaha, sorry, Diffuser. The mention of Chapman (whom I've always truly admired) is an irony directed at today's engineers and designers. Mr. Chapman designed his wonderful Lotus cars using intuition, logic, and the help of his creative brain and a pencil. No computers, no simulators. And his cars worked incredibly well. This comment is directed at Mr. Stroll, Mr. Newey, and everyone around them.

I'm unpleasantly surprised that, with the fortune AM has spent on technicians and technology, they didn't foresee the current situation. They should have talked about it when they signed the contracts. And I'm even more surprised that they haven't achieved anything positive.

The long wait for the track to dry drove me to despair. If they don't want wet races, let them say so. That was the final straw. When the race finally started, Alonso was already eliminated. For me, that's not F1.

i mean aston martin have a completely new team and facility since the the last time they built a race car. it sounds like you want to throw in the towel before things get good haha. im not gonna compare newey to collin chapman because its 2 different eras, but newey is cut from the same cloth. you have to give him time to make a car first haha. they are stuck with the 2 year old car they have until 26 rolls around. if things dont improve in hungary itll be pretty disapointing though.

i totally agree with the stupid rain delay. i guess they wanted to show everyone how exciting the radical tire offset would be in the dry... fail.. did anyone besides lando even use the hard tire? i would go back and check if i wanted to be bored out of my mind again for3 hours straight

[zoroastar]

Hahaha, sorry, Diffuser. The mention of Chapman (whom I've always truly admired) is an irony directed at today's engineers and designers. Mr. Chapman designed his wonderful Lotus cars using intuition, logic, and the help of his creative brain and a pencil. No computers, no simulators. And his cars worked incredibly well. This comment is directed at Mr. Stroll, Mr. Newey, and everyone around them.

I'm unpleasantly surprised that, with the fortune AM has spent on technicians and technology, they didn't foresee the current situation. They should have talked about it when they signed the contracts. And I'm even more surprised that they haven't achieved anything positive.

The long wait for the track to dry drove me to despair. If they don't want wet races, let them say so. That was the final straw. When the race finally started, Alonso was already eliminated. For me, that's not F1.

Sure, they foresaw struggles.

On another subject, I can't say I'm gonna miss this set of regulations. I always thought that one of the best parts of F1 was to see the aerodynamics and in these regs that beauty is hidden.

yeah this has been a bad set of regs. a lot of people are saying the next ones will be bad too. hopefully we in the aston forum will see how great a bad set of regs can be, if you are the team dominating said "bad regs"

2026 cant come soon enough for me. there will be a lot to talk about in the designs whether the competition is good or not. im still confused by the active aero rules. i wonder if newey can make the high rake cars a thing again with the limited ground effects

[Otromundo]

Hahaha, sorry, Diffuser. The mention of Chapman (whom I've always truly admired) is an irony .../...That was the final straw. When the race finally started, Alonso was already eliminated. For me, that's not F1.

i mean aston martin have a completely new team and facility since the the last time they built a race car. it sounds like you want to throw in the towel before things get good haha. im not gonna compare newey to collin chapman because its 2 different eras, but newey is cut from the same cloth. you have to give him time to make a car first haha. they are stuck with the 2 year old car they have until 26 rolls around. if things dont improve in hungary itll be pretty disapointing though.

i totally agree with the stupid rain delay. i guess they wanted to show everyone how exciting the radical tire offset would be in the dry... fail.. did anyone besides lando even use the hard tire? i would go back and check if i wanted to be bored out of my mind again for3 hours straight

For a loooong time, I've thought exactly as you propose: they have a lot of new things and people... we have to give them some time... they've chosen the best and it's all a matter of getting organized... And I've defended the entire new team tooth and nail, including both Stroll Sr. and even Stroll Jr. Something not everyone has done.

But the '23 season ended bitterly, the next one was worse, and this one is following a similar path despite the experience the previous team should have accumulated, the new signings who are even more talented, the time they've had to anticipate the current situation, even more so considering the fortune they've invested in all of it. But I don't see any significant progress. And the current gossip about driver changes is starting to get to me. Indeed, I'm about to throw in the towel. And since I'm suspicious... considering the VER, RUS thing... and Fernando's age... Hmm

Chapman's point was more directed at Newey and company, precisely because he is also from the old-school pen-and-paper camp. I'm just going to see if they read this forum, get angry, even if it means provoking their anger, and produce something remarkable for once. They're driving me crazy with so much disorganization and erratic direction. If I were the team leader, their ears would have been ringing for a loooong time.

I guess I made myself clear: haha, you're a joker (this is meant affectionately).

I'm sorry, I'm not 100% Spanish, something that has always been obvious to those around me. Even those abroad never think I'm Spanish. But I have that Spanish rage when something gets on my nerves. And AM and "modern F1" are really getting me. This weekend I would have burned a few people to the bone! ... We,ll see in Hungary ...

[zoroastar]

Hahaha, sorry, Diffuser. The mention of Chapman (whom I've always truly admired) is an irony .../...That was the final straw. When the race finally started, Alonso was already eliminated. For me, that's not F1.

i mean aston martin have a completely new team and facility since the the last time they built a race car. it sounds like you want to throw in the towel before things get good haha. im not gonna compare newey to collin chapman because its 2 different eras, but newey is cut from the same cloth. you have to give him time to make a car first haha. they are stuck with the 2 year old car they have until 26 rolls around. if things dont improve in hungary itll be pretty disapointing though.

i totally agree with the stupid rain delay. i guess they wanted to show everyone how exciting the radical tire offset would be in the dry... fail.. did anyone besides lando even use the hard tire? i would go back and check if i wanted to be bored out of my mind again for3 hours straight

For a loooong time, I've thought exactly as you propose: they have a lot of new things and people... we have to give them some time... they've chosen the best and it's all a matter of getting organized... And I've defended the entire new team tooth and nail, including both Stroll Sr. and even Stroll Jr. Something not everyone has done.

But the '23 season ended bitterly, the next one was worse, and this one is following a similar path despite the experience the previous team should have accumulated, the new signings who are even more talented, the time they've had to anticipate the current situation, even more so considering the fortune they've invested in all of it. But I don't see any significant progress. And the current gossip about driver changes is starting to get to me. Indeed, I'm about to throw in the towel. And since I'm suspicious... considering the VER, RUS thing... and Fernando's age... Hmm

Chapman's point was more directed at Newey and company, precisely because he is also from the old-school pen-and-paper camp. I'm just going to see if they read this forum, get angry, even if it means provoking their anger, and produce something remarkable for once. They're driving me crazy with so much disorganization and erratic direction. If I were the team leader, their ears would have been ringing for a loooong time.

I guess I made myself clear: haha, you're a joker (this is meant affectionately).

I'm sorry, I'm not 100% Spanish, something that has always been obvious to those around me. Even those abroad never think I'm Spanish. But I have that Spanish rage when something gets on my nerves. And AM and "modern F1" are really getting me. This weekend I would have burned a few people to the bone! ... We,ll see in Hungary ...

yeah it has been a frustrating couple of years, or decade, if youre an alonso fan haha. part of newey and cowells job right nowis understanding who they have, what they need, and who is not pulling their weight, and getting more people that do, in order to build a team. unfortunately that could take some time, but there is hope still that they can make some magic with what they have in the meantime.

i think the one thing we can now say 99.9% is that nobody is replacing alonso in 2026 unless he decides to quit racing himself. it was all a bunch of noise. so stick around at least another year

[SSJ4]

F1 | ASTON MARTIN WILL BE DECIDING SOON IF THE NEW MERCEDES SUSPENSION WILL BE ADOPTED
At Silverstone, evaluations began on whether to use the new rear suspension components that Mercedes introduced in the spring.

Mercedes debuted a new rear suspension at Imola at the end of May. It took a few weeks for it to work. But then it paid off and helped the W16s, which scored a double podium with a win in Canada and generally improved tyre management. Now Aston Martin is seriously considering whether to adopt them for the final part of the 2025 season.

The AMR25s were not born under the best star. The single-seaters that share several components with the single-seaters driven by George Russell and Andrea Kimi Antonelli, however, are in search of improvement, although by now almost the entire Aston Martin Racing team is busy preparing the 2026 single-seaters.

The synergy with Mercedes - which will come to an end at the very end of this season with the switch of power units from Brixworth to Honda - gives the British team the opportunity to take advantage of the suspension that Mercedes has been using with regularity since Montreal.

The evaluations are ongoing. This was stated by Andy Cowell, team principal of Aston Martin. This, however, should not be a forced choice. The team will have to use the last working weeks before the summer break to make the necessary evaluations and make a decision.

"We are considering a switch to the new Mercedes rear suspension. We are researching what is possible with the components they provide and what we want to do,' Cowell admitted.

"It's also a question of assessing how much effort we want to put into the changes this year, rather than using what we already have. It is usually easier to fine-tune and optimise what you know than to make changes."

Changing the suspension during the course of the season - we have seen this with Mercedes and, more recently, with Ferrari - means having to make changes to the aerodynamics of the single-seaters as well as the vehicle dynamics themselves. In short, certainly not an uninvasive modification. That is why at Silverstone they will still take some time to work out whether and how to make this change.

"Changing the suspension during the season would change the vehicle dynamics and aerodynamics. The work on the dynamics, the simulation, the simulator with driver, the aerodynamics."

"Then dust off the 2025 wind tunnel model to get measurements, then do the hardware supply test measurements. At that point we'll have to figure out if everything will add up and if the single-seater will be faster. In this regard, we will understand more about what to do after the summer break."

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-as ... /10746523/

[diffuser]

F1 | ASTON MARTIN WILL BE DECIDING SOON IF THE NEW MERCEDES SUSPENSION WILL BE ADOPTED
At Silverstone, evaluations began on whether to use the new rear suspension components that Mercedes introduced in the spring.

Mercedes debuted a new rear suspension at Imola at the end of May. It took a few weeks for it to work. But then it paid off and helped the W16s, which scored a double podium with a win in Canada and generally improved tyre management. Now Aston Martin is seriously considering whether to adopt them for the final part of the 2025 season.

The AMR25s were not born under the best star. The single-seaters that share several components with the single-seaters driven by George Russell and Andrea Kimi Antonelli, however, are in search of improvement, although by now almost the entire Aston Martin Racing team is busy preparing the 2026 single-seaters.

The synergy with Mercedes - which will come to an end at the very end of this season with the switch of power units from Brixworth to Honda - gives the British team the opportunity to take advantage of the suspension that Mercedes has been using with regularity since Montreal.

The evaluations are ongoing. This was stated by Andy Cowell, team principal of Aston Martin. This, however, should not be a forced choice. The team will have to use the last working weeks before the summer break to make the necessary evaluations and make a decision.

"We are considering a switch to the new Mercedes rear suspension. We are researching what is possible with the components they provide and what we want to do,' Cowell admitted.

"It's also a question of assessing how much effort we want to put into the changes this year, rather than using what we already have. It is usually easier to fine-tune and optimise what you know than to make changes."

Changing the suspension during the course of the season - we have seen this with Mercedes and, more recently, with Ferrari - means having to make changes to the aerodynamics of the single-seaters as well as the vehicle dynamics themselves. In short, certainly not an uninvasive modification. That is why at Silverstone they will still take some time to work out whether and how to make this change.

"Changing the suspension during the season would change the vehicle dynamics and aerodynamics. The work on the dynamics, the simulation, the simulator with driver, the aerodynamics."

"Then dust off the 2025 wind tunnel model to get measurements, then do the hardware supply test measurements. At that point we'll have to figure out if everything will add up and if the single-seater will be faster. In this regard, we will understand more about what to do after the summer break."

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-as ... /10746523/

Presuming that the Suspension was made available to them @ Imola ....They will have taken 7 races to evaluate it, if they put the New Merc Rear Suspension on for the Dutch GP. This will leave 10 races with the new suspension including the Dutch GP. That just sounds like they're taking too long to evaluate it. Will they even have enough races to make the investment worth while?

[SSJ4]

F1 | ASTON MARTIN WILL BE DECIDING SOON IF THE NEW MERCEDES SUSPENSION WILL BE ADOPTED
At Silverstone, evaluations began on whether to use the new rear suspension components that Mercedes introduced in the spring.

Mercedes debuted a new rear suspension at Imola at the end of May. It took a few weeks for it to work. But then it paid off and helped the W16s, which scored a double podium with a win in Canada and generally improved tyre management. Now Aston Martin is seriously considering whether to adopt them for the final part of the 2025 season.

The AMR25s were not born under the best star. The single-seaters that share several components with the single-seaters driven by George Russell and Andrea Kimi Antonelli, however, are in search of improvement, although by now almost the entire Aston Martin Racing team is busy preparing the 2026 single-seaters.

The synergy with Mercedes - which will come to an end at the very end of this season with the switch of power units from Brixworth to Honda - gives the British team the opportunity to take advantage of the suspension that Mercedes has been using with regularity since Montreal.

The evaluations are ongoing. This was stated by Andy Cowell, team principal of Aston Martin. This, however, should not be a forced choice. The team will have to use the last working weeks before the summer break to make the necessary evaluations and make a decision.

"We are considering a switch to the new Mercedes rear suspension. We are researching what is possible with the components they provide and what we want to do,' Cowell admitted.

"It's also a question of assessing how much effort we want to put into the changes this year, rather than using what we already have. It is usually easier to fine-tune and optimise what you know than to make changes."

Changing the suspension during the course of the season - we have seen this with Mercedes and, more recently, with Ferrari - means having to make changes to the aerodynamics of the single-seaters as well as the vehicle dynamics themselves. In short, certainly not an uninvasive modification. That is why at Silverstone they will still take some time to work out whether and how to make this change.

"Changing the suspension during the season would change the vehicle dynamics and aerodynamics. The work on the dynamics, the simulation, the simulator with driver, the aerodynamics."

"Then dust off the 2025 wind tunnel model to get measurements, then do the hardware supply test measurements. At that point we'll have to figure out if everything will add up and if the single-seater will be faster. In this regard, we will understand more about what to do after the summer break."

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-as ... /10746523/

Presuming that the Suspension was made available to them @ Imola ....They will have taken 7 races to evaluate it, if they put the New Merc Rear Suspension on for the Dutch GP. This will leave 10 races with the new suspension including the Dutch GP. That just sounds like they're taking too long to evaluate it. Will they even have enough races to make the investment worth while?

To me the delay was due to the atr and wind tunnel time reset. They have a lot more hours compared to before. i guess they want to gather more data, since it may help with 2026 regs. considering they're doing everything in house as opposed to relying on mercedes for components

[diffuser]

Anyways people keep mentioning in this forum that they have a top speed problem and that just isn't true. Their problem has always been that they have a traction problem. Over and over again over the last weekend they were slow on the exit of turn one. That led to them having a slow speed in and out of eau rouge then all the way down. They closed the gap when they opened the rear wing but that's too little too late. Now I don't know if that has anything to do with the rear suspension or not but that is one of their problems.

The larger problem at SPA was, even with a bigger rear wing, they were more that 10 KPH slower in each of turns 5 through 13. Just screams lack DF or instability with the floor.