2025 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

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Uhhh....one bad post and the L word fans are back...
This thread was so nice an quiet, can we please bring it back on topic to Toto and Verstappen? Much nicer topic.
AR3-GP wrote:
28 Jul 2025, 16:18
Mercedes team fans
Who? I do not think they exist. Who gives a .... about a German team in Britain?
AR3-GP wrote:
28 Jul 2025, 16:23

that teammate
Thank you! Just do not name it, some have a trigger on this.
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After all this hype, it's a bit of a downgrade is it?
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AR3-GP wrote:
28 Jul 2025, 16:23
Matt2725 wrote:
28 Jul 2025, 15:25
Lewis drives for Ferrari. You're in the wrong thread.

Well the facts are George Russell never beat that teammate on pace at Spa or Hungary in any season. So with people lining up in this thread to have a go at the team because of these races, they should consider Russell’s own role in limiting the performance. Mercedes shouldn’t have to overdesign the car to compensate for Russell leaving a bunch of time on the table.
What a load of utter tripe. Happy to ignore all the times Lewis "left time on the table" of course. Or the countless races where Russell was faster on race pace.
What's the point of comparing pace vs Piastri? You might as well put Hamilton up there as he was even slower for 90% of the race. Funny how that works out in a non-spec series.

Mods are we really allowing blatant trolling on the forum now?

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Matt2725 wrote:
29 Jul 2025, 14:04
AR3-GP wrote:
28 Jul 2025, 16:23
What a load of utter tripe. Happy to ignore all the times Lewis "left time on the table" of course. Or the countless races where Russell was faster on race pace.
What's the point of comparing pace vs Piastri? You might as well put Hamilton up there as he was even slower for 90% of the race. Funny how that works out in a non-spec series.

Mods are we really allowing blatant trolling on the forum now?
There were races where Russell was the fastest Mercedes driver in previous seasons however they are not relevant to Spa or Hungary which are the races in the current double header. Russell always struggled at these two circuits. I think Mercedes could have fought for P3 in Spa.

Russell's qualy deficits to teammate at Spa:
2022: +0.273s
2023: +0.718s
2024: +0.349s


On the 2nd point, it is a figure showing the pace difference between the race winner and the leading Mercedes car. Info. Technical forum.
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Current suggestion is that he's signed/signing a 2+1 deal. Guaranteed until end of 2027 with an option for 2028.

Unless they're putting Kimi on a 1+1, then I'm not so sure where a certain other driver fits in.

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Lasssept wrote:
29 Jul 2025, 16:19


4 days ago:
"People go into summer and do you want to get something sorted [then]? I mean, realistically, is that going to be the case? I don't know.

"There is still no contract on the table, so to have something done in the space of two weeks is unlikely, and it's got to work both ways."
https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/what ... pen-fakes/


1 day ago: https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-conf ... -f1-future


Today:
George Russell is set for a multi-year extension that would keep him with the team until at least the end of 2027.
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- And on the car, is there any specific reason why we don't look to have the pace that we did have in those first few rounds, and comparing now to how quick the Ferraris are looking as well ?

James Allison: ..It isn't that everyone magically has put on the same size upgrade and crept up around you through that. And even if you ignore the lap times completely, you ignore the points that we are not getting anymore, like we did earlier in the year, and you just focus on what the drivers are telling us about the car, they're telling us that the car of today, and of the last handful of races, is a car that is suffering from instability under braking in high speed, and turning in high speed, in a way that it wasn't doing earlier in the year. Earlier in the year, it was a relatively easy car to set up, relatively easy to sort of pitch it up in qualifying for it to do OK.

It was not enough to be championship competitive, but it was a whole sight easier to deal with than the one we have to do today. The downside of that, of course, is it's dispiriting when we've made a lot of effort to improve the car, and we have not. The upside of it is that if you've done it yourself, which we have, it is comparatively easier to unpick that, because you just have to retrace your steps a bit, understand which of the steps you took that was in the wrong direction, and then move forward from there. It hurts, but it hurts less than, let's say, if you launched a car with gremlins inside it, and you just had no idea what it was. If you’ve gone from a sort of relatively manageable beast to one that isn't, and you know you only did X, Y, and Z in between, then you have a path backwards.

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Lasssept wrote:
29 Jul 2025, 23:19
- And on the car, is there any specific reason why we don't look to have the pace that we did have in those first few rounds, and comparing now to how quick the Ferraris are looking as well ?

James Allison: ..It isn't that everyone magically has put on the same size upgrade and crept up around you through that. And even if you ignore the lap times completely, you ignore the points that we are not getting anymore, like we did earlier in the year, and you just focus on what the drivers are telling us about the car, they're telling us that the car of today, and of the last handful of races, is a car that is suffering from instability under braking in high speed, and turning in high speed, in a way that it wasn't doing earlier in the year. Earlier in the year, it was a relatively easy car to set up, relatively easy to sort of pitch it up in qualifying for it to do OK.

It was not enough to be championship competitive, but it was a whole sight easier to deal with than the one we have to do today. The downside of that, of course, is it's dispiriting when we've made a lot of effort to improve the car, and we have not. The upside of it is that if you've done it yourself, which we have, it is comparatively easier to unpick that, because you just have to retrace your steps a bit, understand which of the steps you took that was in the wrong direction, and then move forward from there. It hurts, but it hurts less than, let's say, if you launched a car with gremlins inside it, and you just had no idea what it was. If you’ve gone from a sort of relatively manageable beast to one that isn't, and you know you only did X, Y, and Z in between, then you have a path backwards.
James, the problem is that it's been the same thing since Zandvoort 2024..