2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[sucof]

Ferrari was using a very conservative engine map in the main straight, on this Russell was right. And it was not due to LiCo. You can check by yourself with the telemetry.
Having said that i don't know what the issue was, i still think is related to plank wear.
The chassis was broken story is 99% fake.

Russell's full quote makes more sense and backs this.

“The only thing we can think of is they were running the car too low to the ground and they had to increase the tyre pressures for the last stint,” he said. Russell said when he caught Leclerc he noticed Ferrari “were using an engine mode that was making the engine slower at the end of the straight, which is where you have the most amount of plank wear.”

“That’s the only thing we can think of based upon the lap times and the engine mode they were running and stuff like that,” he added.

He has no reason to lie about something like this.

Haha, well except triggering an investigation regarding the Ferrari plank wear. He is in fight for position in the world championship with Leclerc.

[AR3-GP]

I missed that Russell said this, but the sentiment is the same with everything that Ferrari has said all year about the issues. Now we are contending with "chassis damage", which was likely a consequence of running the car too low to get any performance out of it.

The biggest problem of Ferrari is that they didn't talk about specific problems, the best we could find out was the inside information from Formula Uno, but even they complained that the team doesn't explain about the problems like Mercedes does after every Grand Prix. No one from the team said that the problem was in the plank or suspension.

Yes but after every competitive session Fred was either blaming drivers or talking about "potential" because of Australia FP2 or China sprint when the truth is that the "potential" was just an illusion. Whenever they have any pace for half an hour in a race, it's because the car is "too low" and then they have to LICO massively or inflate pressures in the 2nd half to not get disqualified. Then all the fans points to the 1 "good" stint and says that is the potential when it's not. It's an illusion of potential. If everyone else did what Ferrari was doing, they would have have step up in pace but then have to do extreme management of plank wear in the 2nd half of each race. The performance of this car is a smoke and mirror show. Ferrari know it would be a 2020 season if they ran at proper ride heights.

Fred has been insulting our intelligence for months...He is a classic politician. If his lips are moving, he is lying.

[bananapeel23]

I don't buy the plank wear argument. If that were the case, why were the first few laps on the new hards still decent? His pace wasn't any better than that of Norris, but he was matching him.

If the pace issues were down to increased tyre pressures, wouldn't his awful pace have started showing right away? He was a good 5 laps into the stint before his pace fell off a cliff. I guess you could argue that raised tyre pressures caused bad warmup and thus graining, which is really the only conceivable way for his pace to fall off a cliff like that without damage. To my knowledge he never complained about graining, but was blaming the front wing instead. I feel like he would've complained about graining if he had any.

I'm more inclined to believe that it actually was a suspension issue or a cracked chassis.

[Xyz22]

I don't buy the plank wear argument. If that were the case, why were the first few laps on the new hards still decent? His pace wasn't any better than that of Norris, but he was matching him.

If the pace issues were down to increased tyre pressures, wouldn't his awful pace have started showing right away? He was a good 5 laps into the stint before his pace fell off a cliff. I guess you could argue that raised tyre pressures caused bad warmup and thus graining, which is really the only conceivable way for his pace to fall off a cliff like that without damage. To my knowledge he never complained about graining, but was blaming the front wing instead. I feel like he would've complained about graining if he had any.

I'm more inclined to believe that it actually was a suspension issue or a cracked chassis.

Pace on new hards was garbage.

[Luscion]

I don't buy the plank wear argument. If that were the case, why were the first few laps on the new hards still decent? His pace wasn't any better than that of Norris, but he was matching him.

If the pace issues were down to increased tyre pressures, wouldn't his awful pace have started showing right away? He was a good 5 laps into the stint before his pace fell off a cliff. I guess you could argue that raised tyre pressures caused bad warmup and thus graining, which is really the only conceivable way for his pace to fall off a cliff like that without damage. To my knowledge he never complained about graining, but was blaming the front wing instead. I feel like he would've complained about graining if he had any.

I'm more inclined to believe that it actually was a suspension issue or a cracked chassis.

To me the chassis excuse doesn't make sense, before leclerc pitted he talked about managing "the issue", then you have Russell's statement on what he thinks it was as well as lewis asking to lico on the straight as well

[AR3-GP]

I don't buy the plank wear argument. If that were the case, why were the first few laps on the new hards still decent? His pace wasn't any better than that of Norris, but he was matching him.

If the pace issues were down to increased tyre pressures, wouldn't his awful pace have started showing right away? He was a good 5 laps into the stint before his pace fell off a cliff. I guess you could argue that raised tyre pressures caused bad warmup and thus graining, which is really the only conceivable way for his pace to fall off a cliff like that without damage.

The tire pressure isn't constant. Tire blankets warm the tire to 70C but the tires run at closer to 100C after they are warmed up. So the tire pressure also increases during the first laps of the stint compared to the cold inflation pressure.

[bananapeel23]

I don't buy the plank wear argument. If that were the case, why were the first few laps on the new hards still decent? His pace wasn't any better than that of Norris, but he was matching him.

If the pace issues were down to increased tyre pressures, wouldn't his awful pace have started showing right away? He was a good 5 laps into the stint before his pace fell off a cliff. I guess you could argue that raised tyre pressures caused bad warmup and thus graining, which is really the only conceivable way for his pace to fall off a cliff like that without damage. To my knowledge he never complained about graining, but was blaming the front wing instead. I feel like he would've complained about graining if he had any.

I'm more inclined to believe that it actually was a suspension issue or a cracked chassis.

Pace on new hards was garbage.

Yeah sure, it was pretty bad from the beginning, but there is a difference between bad and shocking. His pace for the first 6 laps was still faster than his laps from the previous stint and was pretty consistent. There is a very clear difference between the first 6 laps and literally every lap after.

You see the very lap his pace fell off a cliff during stint 3. His pace from lap 6 to lap 10 (of the stint) was 20.5, 20.8, 20.9, 21.6, 22.2.

You don't lose 1.7 seconds per lap in the span of 5 laps just to the tyres unless you also have graining issues, which I've seen no one suggest he did.

[bananapeel23]

I don't buy the plank wear argument. If that were the case, why were the first few laps on the new hards still decent? His pace wasn't any better than that of Norris, but he was matching him.

If the pace issues were down to increased tyre pressures, wouldn't his awful pace have started showing right away? He was a good 5 laps into the stint before his pace fell off a cliff. I guess you could argue that raised tyre pressures caused bad warmup and thus graining, which is really the only conceivable way for his pace to fall off a cliff like that without damage.

The tire pressure isn't constant. Tire blankets warm the tire to 70C but the tires run at closer to 100C after they are warmed up. So the tire pressure also increases during the first laps of the stint compared to the cold inflation pressure.

His pace only started dropping off from the 7th lap of the stint onwards. If it was down to the pressures increasing with tyre temperature, surely it would've starting showing after only 2-3 laps?

[dialtone]

No way you folks can say the chassis is bs. It’s about as likely as all the other ones, nobody touched the car in the pit stop, too fast, and LEC gained 5s on PIA during the tire offset before PIA pitted and for another 3 laps was roughly on pace with PIA.

Too much conspiracy here.

[ScuderiaLeo]

The truth is we'll never know... at least not until AR finds out and tells us

I bet they're already on the case and we'll get an article by mid-week.

[Autobahn303]

I don't buy the plank wear argument. If that were the case, why were the first few laps on the new hards still decent? His pace wasn't any better than that of Norris, but he was matching him.

If the pace issues were down to increased tyre pressures, wouldn't his awful pace have started showing right away? He was a good 5 laps into the stint before his pace fell off a cliff. I guess you could argue that raised tyre pressures caused bad warmup and thus graining, which is really the only conceivable way for his pace to fall off a cliff like that without damage. To my knowledge he never complained about graining, but was blaming the front wing instead. I feel like he would've complained about graining if he had any.

I'm more inclined to believe that it actually was a suspension issue or a cracked chassis.

Maybe this new suspension put too much pressure on an already weak construction.

[yooogurt]

The biggest question for me is why did Charles learn about the plank only in the race? What did team (and Charles too) do in practice? What about feedback? How did this happen?

[MattLightBlue]

The biggest question for me is why did Charles learn about the plank only in the race? What did team (and Charles too) do in practice? What about feedback? How did this happen?

It happens often in the last stint, especially for Charles. The only difference is that this time he was actually fighting for P1/P2, so everyone noticed.

[LM10]

Leclerc:

In the car, I didn’t have all the information; now I have them. We had a chassis problem from lap 40 onwards. From that moment on, I was just a passenger; there was nothing to do. There was a lot of frustration in the car—I thought it was coming from another decision that had been made.

The disappointment and frustration remain because we have a real chance to win this year, and today was very probably that chance. Even though we had a bit more degradation than the McLaren cars, the pace was there in the first stint, in the second stint, and up until around lap 40. I’m really disappointed, but these are racing days. Now that I understand a bit more about what happened behind the scenes, these are things you simply cannot predict.

[ScuderiaLeo]

The biggest question for me is why did Charles learn about the plank only in the race? What did team (and Charles too) do in practice? What about feedback? How did this happen?

It's pretty common this season for their pace to fall off in the last stint.

It's just today's loss was very extreme (2 seconds) usually it's only a few tenths.