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diffuser wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 03:05
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04 Aug 2025, 00:14
Seanspeed wrote:
03 Aug 2025, 23:44
The race pace was significantly worse than the qualifying pace would have suggested.

Alonso was within a tenth of pole, yet was much slower than Leclerc in the race.

AM/Alonso were fortunate that nobody behind them were much faster, really. A good job, but still lots of work to do if they want to be a more regular threat on Sundays.
It's not comparable. Alonso was on a 1 stop strategy and didnt push for most of the race. He knew Bortoleto couldn't pass him and he just had to get the tires to the end. He wouldn't have anticipated Leclerc's problems. By then it was too late to catch him. I suspect he could have troubled Leclerc with a bit less pace management.
Alonso had built up a 8 second gap to Bortoleto before letting him create back to 7, then pitting. So that's not really true.
He was managing but for a select few laps. In the first stint he dropped the hammer when he wanted, and the same in the 2nd. He started the 2nd stint slower than Max who had 18 laps older tires...Management.

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Similar to the first stint, Alonso preserved his tyres at the beginning. With about 15 laps to go, he said to his engineer he thought of keeping Bortoleto close and in his DRS, in anticipation of Verstappen challenging him at the end with fresher tyres. Instead, Alonso decided to create as much distance between him and Bortoleto and drive nothing but qualifying laps.

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AR3-GP wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 03:08
diffuser wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 03:05
AR3-GP wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 00:14


It's not comparable. Alonso was on a 1 stop strategy and didnt push for most of the race. He knew Bortoleto couldn't pass him and he just had to get the tires to the end. He wouldn't have anticipated Leclerc's problems. By then it was too late to catch him. I suspect he could have troubled Leclerc with a bit less pace management.
Alonso had built up a 8 second gap to Bortoleto before letting him create back to 7, then pitting. So that's not really true.
He was managing but for a select few laps. In the first stint he dropped the hammer when he wanted, and the same in the 2nd. He started the 2nd stint slower than Max who had 18 laps older tires...Management.

https://i.postimg.cc/yYGYxmb3/image.png
BTW where have you been? Haven't seen you in ages....

Yeah he did, you need to bring the hard tires in slowly, Otherwise they go out on you. Your graph does change the fact that for more than 40 laps there was a huge gap in front and behind Alonso. He wasn't causing traffic and backing everyone up, which is the point I was making.

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diffuser wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 03:34
AR3-GP wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 03:08
diffuser wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 03:05


Alonso had built up a 8 second gap to Bortoleto before letting him create back to 7, then pitting. So that's not really true.
He was managing but for a select few laps. In the first stint he dropped the hammer when he wanted, and the same in the 2nd. He started the 2nd stint slower than Max who had 18 laps older tires...Management.

https://i.postimg.cc/yYGYxmb3/image.png
BTW where have you been? Haven't seen you in ages....

Yeah he did, you need to bring the hard tires in slowly, Otherwise they go out on you. Your graph does change the fact that for more than 40 laps there was a huge gap in front and behind Alonso. He wasn't causing traffic and backing everyone up, which is the point I was making.
He was backing everyone up until around lap 13. We saw it on the TV. It is not because he didn't have pace. It was just race management. He wasn't racing those in front. We've seen this from him dozens of times in the last few years. He only spends the energy required to secure his result.

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AR3-GP wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 04:04
diffuser wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 03:34
AR3-GP wrote:
04 Aug 2025, 03:08


He was managing but for a select few laps. In the first stint he dropped the hammer when he wanted, and the same in the 2nd. He started the 2nd stint slower than Max who had 18 laps older tires...Management.

https://i.postimg.cc/yYGYxmb3/image.png
BTW where have you been? Haven't seen you in ages....

Yeah he did, you need to bring the hard tires in slowly, Otherwise they go out on you. Your graph does change the fact that for more than 40 laps there was a huge gap in front and behind Alonso. He wasn't causing traffic and backing everyone up, which is the point I was making.
He was backing everyone up until around lap 13. We saw it on the TV. It is not because he didn't have pace. It was just race management. He wasn't racing those in front. We've seen this from him dozens of times in the last few years. He only spends the energy required to secure his result.

https://i.postimg.cc/L8Kfhg5D/image.png
On that we agree.