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No, he said that the "podium would be a miracle" and that was obvious given that his pace was sometimes over 2s slower than Russell, he said that after he got easily passed by PIA and saw him disappear quickly in front, it was a perfectly reasonable take even not knowing anything, even viewers knew that was the case.

True about podium, i mean what he said on lap 27 "what we discuss bofore that race, we need to discuss these thing before doing them" and lap 28 "we are goin to lose this race, we are losing so much time"
And the interesting radio on lap 47 "now I need to save fuel as well", sounds like he needed to save something else
and about the podium he also added that he will find another way to manage these problems and the car becomes undrivable.

SPA suspension is the same as the Hungary suspension. Please folks, get your facts straight.

Yep the same, and car dont lose 2 sec on last third of the race.

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No, he said that the "podium would be a miracle" and that was obvious given that his pace was sometimes over 2s slower than Russell, he said that after he got easily passed by PIA and saw him disappear quickly in front, it was a perfectly reasonable take even not knowing anything, even viewers knew that was the case.

True about podium, i mean what he said on lap 27 "what we discuss bofore that race, we need to discuss these thing before doing them" and lap 28 "we are goin to lose this race, we are losing so much time"
And the interesting radio on lap 47 "now I need to save fuel as well", sounds like he needed to save something else

I think the lap 27 comment was the anticipated pit stop from Piastri. I was watching and commenting in discord during the same, the very moment I saw PIA pit I wrote "so MCL chose to sacrifice PIA to let NOR win". PIA pit stop was way too early, NOR was behind RUS, there was no need to pit on lap 20 when NOR could go till lap 38. The only way MCL was winning the race is by forcing Ferrari into a sub-optimal strategy, knowing that NOR was eventually gonna pass RUS, but they needed to not increase the gap too much and needed to open an alternative strategy for NOR with enough differential on the tires. What MCL did was the only way for them to win, tip of the hat to them for having the balls to do it. And Ferrari needed to defend track position there as there was no Lewis in support.

LEC I presume complained that he didn't want to pit that early and react to the move and that he would have wanted to discuss these things properly before doing them rather than leaving him to handle the event after the fact.

I don't have much to comment on "sounds like he needed to save something else" which makes no sense. We're literally discussing LEC revealing what wasn't intended to be revealed by his long comment, but we're pick and choosing now where he revealed and where he didn't reveal based on what we want to believe. He's usually saying stuff like "we're talking about this after the race" or along the lines of "you know what I'm talking about" or the comment he made earlier "when we discuss those things, we should discuss those before the race", where it's clear he's hiding something, but when he says "now I need to save fuel" he's instead talking about something else? That's just far far far reaching, especially because we know Ferrari has been under fueling the car lately.

SPA suspension is the same as the Hungary suspension. Please folks, get your facts straight.

Yep the same, and car dont lose 2 sec on last third of the race.

They don't lose 2 seconds to prevent plank wear either. His lap 54, respectable lap compared to the rest of the race, is faster than lap 8 or lap 20-something in T11 which is the one fast corner on this track. Where LEC loses an eternity to PIA is in the slow corners, how is this compatible with plank wear?

[Nicktendo86]

It’s not plank wear.

what is it then?

I shared already before, you won't like it because it's actually the chassis that broke, but it's still the case.



And my post earlier:
https://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewt ... 2#p1299822

Fundamentally they couldn't change chassis to fit the new suspension, the new suspension has more vertical load that the chassis wasn't designed to sustain, the high kerbs in hungary, like T6-7, stress the suspension quite a lot, and thus stress the chassis in this new more vertical way, up to the point where the junction point to the chassis broke.

The math and the data checks out for this explanation, it's also what the team said which for most here is irrelevant but Vasseur has never lied to the press despite what people say.

Alex Brundle has replied to that X thread and I tend to agree with him, I think it’s clearly a case of plank wear. They would not be running an entire Grand Prix stint with broken suspension points.

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Alex Brundle has replied to that X thread and I tend to agree with him, I think it’s clearly a case of plank wear. They would not be running an entire Grand Prix stint with broken suspension points.

They didn't run the entire GP with broken suspension points...

[ScuderiaLeo]

[dialtone]

Here's another fun one for the lovers of plank wear:



Lap 57, LEC top speed is back to >300kph on the main straight rather than the 290 of the previous laps, to defend against Russell (ignore that this is literally the OPPOSITE of what Russell said because whatever right?), they also kept this engine mode till the end of the race.

Lap time was being lost in the corners, not in the straight. Obviously there's no amount of information that could be posted here to avoid people believing nonsense, flat earth is a thing after all.

[SB15]

I do in fact know it's not plank wear.

Why would Ferrari raise the tyre pressure if the issue wasn't plank wear and then Leclerc was basically lifting at turn 1 on every lap during his 2nd stint? I think someone mentioned Lewis was doing LiCo by lap 3.

So honestly if Ferrari did run at an adequate ride height that keeps it in a consistent performance window, how slow are they really?

This is not the right thread for speculation.

Russell is the only one that talked about raising tire pressure. No reliable source talked about it. That’s a totally made up fact until a reliable source confirms that it happened, until then it didn’t happen and the data supports that it didn’t happen.

Decided to bring it here.

I don't agree with this, that's just me. But, there's even some speculation that Ferrari even under fuels because the plank wear is soo much that's it's better to keep it light so that their isn't that much a performance drop off.

Really if Ferrari set the car up at a relatively comfortable ride height like the other teams, goodness how slow would they be....

[dialtone]

Why would Ferrari raise the tyre pressure if the issue wasn't plank wear and then Leclerc was basically lifting at turn 1 on every lap during his 2nd stint? I think someone mentioned Lewis was doing LiCo by lap 3.

So honestly if Ferrari did run at an adequate ride height that keeps it in a consistent performance window, how slow are they really?

This is not the right thread for speculation.

Russell is the only one that talked about raising tire pressure. No reliable source talked about it. That’s a totally made up fact until a reliable source confirms that it happened, until then it didn’t happen and the data supports that it didn’t happen.

Decided to bring it here.

I don't agree with this, that's just me. But, there's even some speculation that Ferrari even under fuels because the plank wear is soo much that's it's better to keep it light so that their isn't that much a performance drop off.

Really if Ferrari set the car up at a relatively comfortable ride height like the other teams, goodness how slow would they be....

That's not how it works, fuel isn't that big of a deal for the suspension, the car itself weighs 800kg, then aero surface under load is another 800kg, taking out 5-10kg of fuel means absolutely nothing. The car goes lower when it's lighter because it can take more acceleration in the corners, so it reaches higher top speeds and keeps a higher speed during fast corners like T11 (where LEC was actually faster after lap 40 than before lap 40).

I would understand it more if you folks thought that plank wear was the problem if we see them go 0.5s/lap slower and they need to LiCo a lot, neither driver was asked to LiCo that much, compared to past races like Austria. 2s a lap is absolutely nothing to do with plank wear but it's a real car problem.

Of all the things that one could complain about Ferrari hiding stuff, this is honestly the most whack to complain about.

[Nicktendo86]

Alex Brundle has replied to that X thread and I tend to agree with him, I think it’s clearly a case of plank wear. They would not be running an entire Grand Prix stint with broken suspension points.

They didn't run the entire GP with broken suspension points...

I know, I said GP stint (as in the third and final stint).

As I see it for the failing suspension theory to be right one of two things must have happened, either their chassis indeed broke to the tune of 2 seconds per lap and their data didn’t show that the suspension was failing (can’t get my head around that, with all the sensors these cars have they couldn’t work that out?) or second they knew their suspension was failing and they ran the car anyway, again I feel unlikely.

Not ruling it out but everything points to plank wear worries, Jolyon Palmer’s analysis seems logical to me.

[dialtone]

Here's another fun one for the lovers of plank wear:

https://i.imgur.com/RSHPhfZ.png

Lap 57, LEC top speed is back to >300kph on the main straight rather than the 290 of the previous laps, to defend against Russell (ignore that this is literally the OPPOSITE of what Russell said because whatever right?), they also kept this engine mode till the end of the race.

Lap time was being lost in the corners, not in the straight. Obviously there's no amount of information that could be posted here to avoid people believing nonsense, flat earth is a thing after all.

Dialtone, all you have is belief too.
How many times do we have to remind you to take back a notch? Or you do not understand English?
You know nothing.

Show me the data, like I'm showing mine, until then refrain from making those comments.

[SB15]

This is not the right thread for speculation.

Russell is the only one that talked about raising tire pressure. No reliable source talked about it. That’s a totally made up fact until a reliable source confirms that it happened, until then it didn’t happen and the data supports that it didn’t happen.

Decided to bring it here.

I don't agree with this, that's just me. But, there's even some speculation that Ferrari even under fuels because the plank wear is soo much that's it's better to keep it light so that their isn't that much a performance drop off.

Really if Ferrari set the car up at a relatively comfortable ride height like the other teams, goodness how slow would they be....

That's not how it works, fuel isn't that big of a deal for the suspension, the car itself weighs 800kg, then aero surface under load is another 800kg, taking out 5-10kg of fuel means absolutely nothing. The car goes lower when it's lighter because it can take more acceleration in the corners, so it reaches higher top speeds and keeps a higher speed during fast corners like T11 (where LEC was actually faster after lap 40 than before lap 40).

I would understand it more if you folks thought that plank wear was the problem if we see them go 0.5s/lap slower and they need to LiCo a lot, neither driver was asked to LiCo that much, compared to past races like Austria. 2s a lap is absolutely nothing to do with plank wear but it's a real car problem.

Of all the things that one could complain about Ferrari hiding stuff, this is honestly the most whack to complain about.

That's on you my man. I think the rest of us can conclude that it was indeed a plank wear issue.

So I'm going to leave you with this: Ferrari should just stop everything and focus on 2026, Immediately!

[dialtone]

That's on you my man. I think the rest of us can conclude that it was indeed a plank wear issue.

So I'm going to leave you with this: Ferrari should just stop everything and focus on 2026, Immediately!

Of course anyone can conclude anything, but aside from suspicion I've not seen much data supporting the plank wear. While I've shared many points that would disprove it. Anyone can still believe whatever though, as I already mentioned before.

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Decided to bring it here.

I don't agree with this, that's just me. But, there's even some speculation that Ferrari even under fuels because the plank wear is soo much that's it's better to keep it light so that their isn't that much a performance drop off.

Really if Ferrari set the car up at a relatively comfortable ride height like the other teams, goodness how slow would they be....

That's not how it works, fuel isn't that big of a deal for the suspension, the car itself weighs 800kg, then aero surface under load is another 800kg, taking out 5-10kg of fuel means absolutely nothing. The car goes lower when it's lighter because it can take more acceleration in the corners, so it reaches higher top speeds and keeps a higher speed during fast corners like T11 (where LEC was actually faster after lap 40 than before lap 40).

I would understand it more if you folks thought that plank wear was the problem if we see them go 0.5s/lap slower and they need to LiCo a lot, neither driver was asked to LiCo that much, compared to past races like Austria. 2s a lap is absolutely nothing to do with plank wear but it's a real car problem.

Of all the things that one could complain about Ferrari hiding stuff, this is honestly the most whack to complain about.

That's on you my man. I think the rest of us can conclude that it was indeed a plank wear issue.

So I'm going to leave you with this: Ferrari should just stop everything and focus on 2026, Immediately!

I guess nobody here in the forum can rule out plank wear but it would help the discussion if you could share your theory substantiated with hard facts that makes “the rest of us” conclude it was plank wear.

[Luscion]

Dr.obbs' take on this

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Dr.obbs' take on this

thank you for the link.

Just to summarize the conclusion of the tweet (and not to toot my own horn here, but I also wrote this earlier):

So in summary, aero loads with these high downforce coefficient race cars are in fact a major contributing element to the load on the suspensions. And heavy fuel vs. low fuel loads may not be the primary contributing factor. And as fuel burns off the increase in speed now means that the planks actually contact the ground more. Obviously this is track dependent, so plenty of nuances to this as well.

So from lap 57 onwards in the race, LEC at the lowest fuel of the race was reaching the highest speeds in the race at the end of the straight, supposedly to avert plank wear?

Mah...