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[dialtone]

If Ferrari thought the integrity of the chassis was compromised, they would have retired the car. I think it's unlikely that a car is driveable with broken suspension linkages or broken linkages to the chassis. The forces on the suspension are very high and it would not drive if any link was "broken". Maybe he sustained damaged to the floor from all the bottoming which they were trying to mitigate in the first half of the race. Leclerc was already reporting something was off after his first pitstop where supposedly they had raised the tire pressures a bit to lift the car.

LEC did not report anything was wrong with the car after his first pit stop, please point out the quote if you have it. Once again, right after the pit stop his top speed was close to 300kph and the engine mode was prioritizing top speed, to again keep the lead from PIA undercut, and then was asked to move back to FS1 when things stabilized, and he complained about it.

[ScuderiaLeo]

That's on you my man. I think the rest of us can conclude that it was indeed a plank wear issue.

So I'm going to leave you with this: Ferrari should just stop everything and focus on 2026, Immediately!

They already have dropped SF-25 development to focus on 2026. They haven't worked on the SF-25 for almost a month.

Unless you expect them to just not show up to the rest of the 2025 season at all...?

[CjC]

Dr.obbs' take on this

thank you for the link.

Just to summarize the conclusion of the tweet (and not to toot my own horn here, but I also wrote this earlier):

So in summary, aero loads with these high downforce coefficient race cars are in fact a major contributing element to the load on the suspensions. And heavy fuel vs. low fuel loads may not be the primary contributing factor. And as fuel burns off the increase in speed now means that the planks actually contact the ground more. Obviously this is track dependent, so plenty of nuances to this as well.

So from lap 57 onwards in the race, LEC at the lowest fuel of the race was reaching the highest speeds in the race at the end of the straight, supposedly to avert plank wear?

Mah...

Just to be clear, we are ruling out Russell’s theory that Ferrari turned the engine down on Leclerc’s car meaning he was slower at the end of the straights. We’ve seen data from lap 40 onwards, lap after lap of Leclerc’s end of straight speed being as fast as it should be? Even getting slightly faster each lap as the fuel burns off?

[dialtone]

Dr.obbs' take on this

thank you for the link.

Just to summarize the conclusion of the tweet (and not to toot my own horn here, but I also wrote this earlier):

So in summary, aero loads with these high downforce coefficient race cars are in fact a major contributing element to the load on the suspensions. And heavy fuel vs. low fuel loads may not be the primary contributing factor. And as fuel burns off the increase in speed now means that the planks actually contact the ground more. Obviously this is track dependent, so plenty of nuances to this as well.

So from lap 57 onwards in the race, LEC at the lowest fuel of the race was reaching the highest speeds in the race at the end of the straight, supposedly to avert plank wear?

Mah...

Just to be clear, we are ruling out Russell’s theory that Ferrari turned the engine down on Leclerc’s car meaning he was slower at the end of the straights. We’ve seen data from lap 40 onwards, lap after lap of Leclerc’s end of straight speed being as fast as it should be? Even getting slightly faster each lap as the fuel burns off?

As I said, from lap 57 onwards, when he was fighting with RUS, LEC top speed was the highest he had seen in the race. So the data is ruling that out, not just me.

[AR3-GP]

If Ferrari thought the integrity of the chassis was compromised, they would have retired the car. I think it's unlikely that a car is driveable with broken suspension linkages or broken linkages to the chassis. The forces on the suspension are very high and it would not drive if any link was "broken". Maybe he sustained damaged to the floor from all the bottoming which they were trying to mitigate in the first half of the race. Leclerc was already reporting something was off after his first pitstop where supposedly they had raised the tire pressures a bit to lift the car.

LEC did not report anything was wrong with the car after his first pit stop, please point out the quote if you have it. Once again, right after the pit stop his top speed was close to 300kph and the engine mode was prioritizing top speed, to again keep the lead from PIA undercut, and then was asked to move back to FS1 when things stabilized, and he complained about it.

Your recounting of events is wrong. He reported problems after the pitstop twice before he was asked to go to mode FS1 on lap 27.

Lap 20: Pit

Lap 23: Leclerc "Yeah, I can feel what we discussed before the race, we need to discuss those things before doing those"

Lap 26: Leclerc: "We are going to lose this race with this thing, we are losing so much time"

Lap 27: Bozzi: "Mode FS1"

Full radio:


Vasseur also pointed to the problem in the 2nd stint.

"I must say that the situation was quite strange, that we were under control the first 40 laps of the race, that we are very in control the first stint, a bit more difficult the second one, but it was still manageable," said Vasseur, who it was confirmed in Hungary had signed a multi-year deal to stay at Ferrari.

"And the last stint was a disaster, very difficult to drive, that balance was not there and honestly we don't know exactly what's happened so far.

"It means that we have to investigate if we have something broken on the chassis side or whatever, but at one stage I thought that we will never finish the race. We can be lucky in this situation to score points of a P4.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... FUrENPGUWA

[dialtone]

If Ferrari thought the integrity of the chassis was compromised, they would have retired the car. I think it's unlikely that a car is driveable with broken suspension linkages or broken linkages to the chassis. The forces on the suspension are very high and it would not drive if any link was "broken". Maybe he sustained damaged to the floor from all the bottoming which they were trying to mitigate in the first half of the race. Leclerc was already reporting something was off after his first pitstop where supposedly they had raised the tire pressures a bit to lift the car.

LEC did not report anything was wrong with the car after his first pit stop, please point out the quote if you have it. Once again, right after the pit stop his top speed was close to 300kph and the engine mode was prioritizing top speed, to again keep the lead from PIA undercut, and then was asked to move back to FS1 when things stabilized, and he complained about it.

Your recounting of events is wrong. He reported problems after the pitstop twice before he was asked to go to mode FS1 on lap 27.

Lap 23: Leclerc "Yeah, I can feel what we discussed before the race, we need to discuss those things before doing those"

Lap 26: Leclerc: "We are going to lose this race with this thing, we are losing so much time"

Lap 27: Bozzi: "Mode FS1"

Full radio:

Already commented on all of this, not commenting again.

Agree to disagree, believe what you will.

[AR3-GP]

You:

LEC did not report anything was wrong with the car after his first pit stop, please point out the quote if you have it....and then was asked to move back to FS1 when things stabilized, and he complained about it.

Me:

Lap 20: Pit

Lap 23: Leclerc "Yeah, I can feel what we discussed before the race, we need to discuss those things before doing those"

Lap 26: Leclerc: "We are going to lose this race with this thing, we are losing so much time"

Lap 27: Bozzi: "Mode FS1"

You:

Already commented on all of this, not commenting again.

Agree to disagree, believe what you will.

[MattLightBlue]

This is like flat earth society of F1
Clearly someone hasn't seen what happens to carbon fiber composites when they break.

[Seanspeed]

This whole thing is exactly why it's so utterly ridiculous that Ferrari wont let their drivers or anybody actually say what the issue is. It just creates a chaotic level of speculation and ultimately, people believing and parroting false information that will potentially make the team sound worse than what is actually happening.

[AR3-GP]

This whole thing is exactly why it's so utterly ridiculous that Ferrari wont let their drivers or anybody actually say what the issue is. It just creates a chaotic level of speculation and ultimately, people believing and parroting false information that will potentially make the team sound worse than what is actually happening.

I don't think that we are worsening the perceptions of the team. The race results are doing that. Upgrades were installed. Another weekend, another +20s defeat. Why it's happening is a source of intense speculation, but Ferrari already attracted the criticisms from their drivers and fans based on the race results, especially with how well the SF24 worked at the end of last year. There's no explanation that they can give which makes this season look better.

[deadhead]

This whole thing is exactly why it's so utterly ridiculous that Ferrari wont let their drivers or anybody actually say what the issue is. It just creates a chaotic level of speculation and ultimately, people believing and parroting false information that will potentially make the team sound worse than what is actually happening.

They definitely need a new “style” of communication or better yet, build a car that doesn’t have so many different issues at almost every race, that way you don’t have to explain yourself at all.

[Seanspeed]

This whole thing is exactly why it's so utterly ridiculous that Ferrari wont let their drivers or anybody actually say what the issue is. It just creates a chaotic level of speculation and ultimately, people believing and parroting false information that will potentially make the team sound worse than what is actually happening.

I don't think that we are worsening the perceptions of the team. The race results are doing that. Upgrades were installed. Another weekend, another +20s defeat. Why it's happening is a source of intense speculation, but Ferrari already attracted the criticisms from their drivers and fans based on the race results, especially with how well the SF24 worked at the end of last year. There's no explanation that they can give which makes this season look better.

It is absolutely compounding the race result problem. Because it becomes even more a chase of 'what's wrong?' that nobody can answer because Ferrari wont let anybody say, and so speculation runs wild.

It just feels so ridiculous at this point when the drivers are so obviously wanting to say what the problem is, but are hobbled in providing any details. And again, the drivers have extra motivation for wanting to say what the problem is, because in lieu of such explanations, they will themselves often take a brunt of the blame by popular perception. And Ferrari seem to be happy to let that happen, which is supremely unfair.

[Seanspeed]

This whole thing is exactly why it's so utterly ridiculous that Ferrari wont let their drivers or anybody actually say what the issue is. It just creates a chaotic level of speculation and ultimately, people believing and parroting false information that will potentially make the team sound worse than what is actually happening.

They definitely need a new “style” of communication or better yet, build a car that doesn’t have so many different issues at almost every race, that way you don’t have to explain yourself at all.

lol

Yea, that would solve a lot of problems, wouldn't it?

It's a lot like team strategy - the better your car is, the better your strategy team will be, because there's simply less scenarios that you can get it wrong.

[ScuderiaLeo]

From Duchessa and AR... note that this can be considered "preliminary info" since it's published right after the weekend and there hasn't been much time to examine things. They'll probably update it if they learn more specifics over the break.

Ferrari’s approach was to trap the McLarens in dirty air, and early on the plan looked flawless. Leclerc launched cleanly from pole and avoided any wheel-to-wheel battles. Russell even got ahead of Norris, which should have eased Ferrari’s defence, but in reality it opened the door for McLaren to split strategies.

The big question: what happened to Leclerc’s race? With all teams pushing the Venturi cars to the edge on ride heights and pressures, lap 48 marked the turning point. From then on, Leclerc couldn’t better his 1:20.440, while rivals on fresh tyres were a full second quicker. Within 20 laps, Ferrari lost 30 seconds to Piastri, ending any hope of a win.

Ferrari cited an unspecified chassis fault that made the SF-25 increasingly unmanageable. Mid-corner understeer ruined traction and cost Leclerc around 8 km/h on the straights. Tyre pressure strategy may have been a factor, as adjustments to regain lost stiffness backfired. Altering the front wing and pressures is routine, but in this case the car fell completely out of its working window.

Once outside that window, the Ferrari slid everywhere and recovery was impossible. Red Bull had faced similar issues with Verstappen on Friday. Suggestions that Ferrari planned to be strong in the first stint but not the second are baseless. The drop in performance was not intentional.

Technical Director Serra was on-site in Budapest, where the new suspension showed promise in braking and traction. Still, the setup needs more refinement. Ferrari will revisit the simulator in Maranello to address any Budapest missteps.

The car’s inherent limitations, particularly in the mechanical platform’s travel range, remain — after all, the front suspension cannot be altered. The hope is that, after further mileage, the updated SF-25 will be in its prime from the Netherlands onwards. This is especially important with Monza coming up.

[TimW]

Dr.obbs' take on this

thank you for the link.

Just to summarize the conclusion of the tweet (and not to toot my own horn here, but I also wrote this earlier):

So in summary, aero loads with these high downforce coefficient race cars are in fact a major contributing element to the load on the suspensions. And heavy fuel vs. low fuel loads may not be the primary contributing factor. And as fuel burns off the increase in speed now means that the planks actually contact the ground more. Obviously this is track dependent, so plenty of nuances to this as well.

So from lap 57 onwards in the race, LEC at the lowest fuel of the race was reaching the highest speeds in the race at the end of the straight, supposedly to avert plank wear?

Mah...

If they increased tire pressures to avoid plank wear it all makes perfect sense. Top speed is not affected, but cornering speed is.