Concept power units from 2030

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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mzso wrote:
11 Aug 2025, 18:56
... a motor with more parts. Doesn't seem to be much different for me than having a larger diameter motor with more magnets and coils. It's just in a different layout.
.... electric motors are extremely reliable. No contained explosions, no parts moving linearly with dead centers.
well as the rotors are fixed to each other one drive/control could/would be common to all rotors

the MG's equivalents of an ICE induction system, ignition system, and valves are in so-called control electronics CE
the F1 CE's and other element's levels of reliability & durability are known

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And does anyone see AWD making its debut in F1 in the future? Now that Formula E will be fully AWD from Gen4 onwards, and Gen5 will likely also feature solid-state batteries.

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DenBommer wrote:
12 Aug 2025, 05:31
And does anyone see AWD making its debut in F1 in the future? Now that Formula E will be fully AWD from Gen4 onwards, and Gen5 will likely also feature solid-state batteries.
Not really, just doesn’t fit formula racing. But probably front axle regeneration motors, that only recover energy during braking. They can be made much smaller since they only need to work for 1-2 seconds and have enough time to cool in between corners.

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NL_Fer wrote:
12 Aug 2025, 11:23
DenBommer wrote:
12 Aug 2025, 05:31
And does anyone see AWD making its debut in F1 in the future? Now that Formula E will be fully AWD from Gen4 onwards, and Gen5 will likely also feature solid-state batteries.
Not really, just doesn’t fit formula racing. But probably front axle regeneration motors, that only recover energy during braking. They can be made much smaller since they only need to work for 1-2 seconds and have enough time to cool in between corners.
Okay, but when you have front axle generators, I think you could also have front motors for a little more weight. No?

I just think there’s no benefit to having only generators at the front. Maybe I’m wrong?

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in 2026 we have 350 kW MG capacity that acts on the rear wheels ....

if 2030 adds eg 350 kW MG capacity that acts on the front wheels ......
logic then says .....
integrate a generator with the ICE
and lose the 8 speed gearbox and clutch and drop gears and final drive gears and LSD (and the revvy noises)

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Which is one permutation of what Kawasaki are proposing above for 2030 general aviation (series hybrid).