2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[CjC]

However falling behind Mercedes and Red Bull in the pecking order at the beginning of the season wasn’t planned and then after the strong showing in the practise sessions in Australia to then be 7ths off pole wasn’t ideal either.

Ferrari fans have every right to be frustrated this season after the end of season form they showed last year

[Sergej]

My very honest opinion is that they fully expected to be in contention with McLaren for the titles this year, and many things point to that:
- they ended last season with a very strong car, almost on par with McLaren, they almost won WCC
- they pumped the pre-season with a mega event in Milan, I live in Italy and I can tell that I never saw a thing like that for Ferrari
- drivers openly talked about titles: Charles said he would have been disappointed in not winnig at least one title, Lewis said they had everything to win the titles
- last, but most important, every source and in particular the high ranked AR reported that in simulator/wind tunnel they had the numbers to challenge McLaren

This season from Ferrari reminds me a bit of their 2016: they came from a very positive 2015, with huge improvements engine side, a good car, Vettel got 3 beautiful wins, hence they entered 2016 with great expectations and huge pressure (especially from Marchionne) for winning the title, but they fuc*ed up the car, a crucial mistake with the transmission, and the season was a disaster. Very much like this season where another crucial mistake on the suspension/mechanical platform destroyed all the good work they had done. Unfortunately with Ferrari it seems that they always miss that last bit to get on top.

[Fakepivot]

yes, it seems they always reach that 8 step and to get to 10th they always seem to jump and skip step 9 and end up slip and falling to 7. And now they are already lot of pressure to win next season lol like we really don't know which concept/engine is superior, yet they have put on the pressure to win it at all cost.

[deadhead]

- last, but most important, every source and in particular the high ranked AR reported that in simulator/wind tunnel they had the numbers to challenge McLaren

I still think that they actually have the aero to match the McLaren, they just don’t have a suspension design that can handle the downforce properly.

[Emag]

I think it is pretty obvious this team had high expectations for the season, both internally and externally. Claiming otherwise is just wrong. Saying 'oh but it was only their target, they never said they would definitely win' is nothing but technicality twisting to make it sound like something else.

It's not twisting anything. There's HOPE and there's actual reality. Of course they were aiming high. They very much wanted and hoped to be fighting for the title, but the idea that they 100% expected that they totally would is nonsense. There had been many more realistic comments talking about the very high challenge this would entail. They aren't idiots. They are FAR smarter and more informed about their actual chances than anybody here. They knew full well that overhauling Mclaren was a very tall ask. And nothing they've ever said has ever suggested otherwise.

The only people twisting things are those trying to suggest that Ferrari ever said that they would compete with or beat Mclaren.

I didn’t mean it in a confrontational way. But I mean come on. Again this is just sugar coating. Nothing is certain in life in general. You never know what happens tomorrow, so in that sense yeah you’re right. They didn’t know/say they will win for sure, but I think Its pretty clear what Ferrari’s expectations for this season were and its also pretty clear they’re very disappointed with how things turned out.

[Seanspeed]

I think it is pretty obvious this team had high expectations for the season, both internally and externally. Claiming otherwise is just wrong. Saying 'oh but it was only their target, they never said they would definitely win' is nothing but technicality twisting to make it sound like something else.

It's not twisting anything. There's HOPE and there's actual reality. Of course they were aiming high. They very much wanted and hoped to be fighting for the title, but the idea that they 100% expected that they totally would is nonsense. There had been many more realistic comments talking about the very high challenge this would entail. They aren't idiots. They are FAR smarter and more informed about their actual chances than anybody here. They knew full well that overhauling Mclaren was a very tall ask. And nothing they've ever said has ever suggested otherwise.

The only people twisting things are those trying to suggest that Ferrari ever said that they would compete with or beat Mclaren.

I didn’t mean it in a confrontational way. But I mean come on. Again this is just sugar coating. Nothing is certain in life in general. You never know what happens tomorrow, so in that sense yeah you’re right. They didn’t know/say they will win for sure, but I think Its pretty clear what Ferrari’s expectations for this season were and its also pretty clear they’re very disappointed with how things turned out.

This isn't a binary thing.

I'm sure Ferrari are disappointed that they didn't make the improvements they were after. But I also think they can look at even what their ultimate aims were and how good Mclaren showed up this year, and realize that they never had much of a chance anyways. It seems pretty clear to me that even if this current car performed exactly like they wanted, it still wouldn't have been a true title contender with a car that is literally fastest at every track and in every condition and has basically no real weaknesses.

Ferrari aimed high, but it doesn't mean they truly believed deep down that they would achieve the massive improvement required to compete with this year's Mclaren. You always have to try, but again, Ferrari are full of very smart, experienced professionals. They aren't like fans who want to make everything a simple narrative like is happening here. They know the complexities and challenges in a way that fans never will.