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Bisonas wrote:
01 Sep 2025, 12:37
I don't remember a race that Alounso used the "F" word so many times on team radio.

Maybe there is such a race and i don't remember it but we are talking about really "a lot of times" using it. Some times he was using it, 2-3 times in the same sentence or something.
It was obvious that he was driving quite frustrated. A little bit frustrated i guess, from how qualifying went yesterday and a lot more frustrated with how the first lap played out.
But the real trigger switch was Hamilton crash. I mean from then on, it was an "F" word festival.

The timing of Hamilton crash was really really unbelievably unlucky for him, and from then on, it was just everybody's fault for Alonso. He had a problem with everything.
The whole team went into "Alonso anger management" mode from then on. He was really THAT frustrated.

But despite his frustration and his (maybe a little unfair to the team) outlash after Hamilton's crash, Alonso was right.
He wanted to roll the dice again after Hamilton's crash, and do something different to try to undercut the train in front of him, while the team was telling him, their best bet was to wait for a safety car for his next tire change. They told him that in the team radio.

I get the feeling that Alonso's frustration led the team to give in to Alonso desires and make the decision to roll the dice again, and it felt to me like they where trying to shut him up (in a humorous way :) ) Something like, ok you won, we will do what you want but don't complain again l8r if it turns out badly at the end.
I was getting those kind of vibes, while listening the team radio from start to finish.
In the end, considering the circumstances, it turned out ok, but it was really a gamble after gamble trying to correct the qualifying mishaps, trying to chase your luck, and trying to chase an opportunity to show the real pace of the car.
I agree with the F bombs use being out of character for Alonso. He's has always gotten frustrated when things don't go well just never swears.

With regards to the undercut, "Safety Car probability – 67%" being greater that 50%, does suggest a probability of more than one safety car but not guaranteed. If everyone just waits for a safety car, nothing changes. Someone has to take the initiative to do something different for there to be lucky and unlucky. Generally on tracks that passing is problematic, it's the faster cars that will attempt the undercut.

The undercut did work for Stroll and the second undercut worked for Alonso. Naturally, if no safety cars were needed, the undercut would have worked better.

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i think alonso was just frustrated after friday. Lando and Leclerc were both mentioning how quick aston were in FP2. then they had to raise the floor on saturday and lost performance in qualy and the race. then seeing a racing bull, haas and williams all ahead. was just compounding it

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SSJ4 wrote:
01 Sep 2025, 16:51
i think alonso was just frustrated after friday. Lando and Leclerc were both mentioning how quick aston were in FP2. then they had to raise the floor on saturday and lost performance in qualy and the race. then seeing a racing bull, haas and williams all ahead. was just compounding it
I know that was said but they were faster on Saturday than they were on Friday. Just not by the same ratio as everyone else. Then Alonso only had 1 new set of softs in Q3 and for whatever reason he wasn't able to improve or match his Q2 time.

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Monza might not be too bad cause in SPA they had to raise the floor as well. In Monza low downforce floor might not have to be as high. The problem is Williams is going to be the team to beat and won't be surprised if one fo them is on the podium.
Halo not as bad as we thought

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Ashwinv16 wrote:
01 Sep 2025, 21:30
Monza might not be too bad cause in SPA they had to raise the floor as well. In Monza low downforce floor might not have to be as high. The problem is Williams is going to be the team to beat and won't be surprised if one fo them is on the podium.
Cowell said they had to raise the floor at SPA cause of eau rouge. The big canyon. There is a huge compression there from the speed you pickup going down the hill then the change of direction going up the other hill. Nothing like eau rouge at Monza.

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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fern ... /10755540/
Krack explained that the team's lack of running on Friday had compromised its weekend, as it did not have a realistic representation of plank wear at its initial ride heights; Stroll crashed at Turn 3 in FP2, and Alonso did limited longer runs - running only four-to-five laps in a stint overall.

"You have the plank wear, and you have to be legal after the race. We didn't do a lot of laps on Friday, Lance had the accident and Fernando did not do many long-run laps, so you are a little bit in unknown territory when it comes to the wear," Krack added.

"So you have to take a bit more of a conservative approach. We had to do that and that is costing a bit of performance."

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Alonso couldn't do proper long run in FP2 i think is because of lot of interruptions, but is same for everyone and others still managed to do long run.

Both cars did few laps of long run in FP3, didn't that give any data on plank wear? I am not convinced on this reason from Mike Krack unless others can explain.

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vas_04614 wrote:
02 Sep 2025, 05:16
Alonso couldn't do proper long run in FP2 i think is because of lot of interruptions, but is same for everyone and others still managed to do long run.

Both cars did few laps of long run in FP3, didn't that give any data on plank wear? I am not convinced on this reason from Mike Krack unless others can explain.
Didn't help that the other driver crashed out.

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vas_04614 wrote:
02 Sep 2025, 05:16
Alonso couldn't do proper long run in FP2 i think is because of lot of interruptions, but is same for everyone and others still managed to do long run.

Both cars did few laps of long run in FP3, didn't that give any data on plank wear? I am not convinced on this reason from Mike Krack unless others can explain.
They had already raised the car by FP3 hence the performance drop in that and onwards compared to FP2/1

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SSJ4 wrote:
02 Sep 2025, 15:56
vas_04614 wrote:
02 Sep 2025, 05:16
Alonso couldn't do proper long run in FP2 i think is because of lot of interruptions, but is same for everyone and others still managed to do long run.

Both cars did few laps of long run in FP3, didn't that give any data on plank wear? I am not convinced on this reason from Mike Krack unless others can explain.
They had already raised the car by FP3 hence the performance drop in that and onwards compared to FP2/1
I know that FP1 and FP3 long runs times aren't representative times, they typically have a large difference in track temp from the race and Quali .....You'd think they could have kept the ride height the same as FP2 and gotten the ride height adjusted.

It sounds like they have a BIB/Plank issue that it doesn't have all the flexibility needed to easily adjust the plank to all the tracks. Probably something they would have changed for next year had the regs stayed the same.

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When Alonso's tire strategy went down the drain again, I stopped watching the race. It's happened to me a lot lately.

When I skip F1 races, I usually tinker with the other categories. And for several races, I've focused on an "Academy" competitor, car 12, with a 16-year-old Danish girl at the wheel: Alba Larsen. She's faster than her car, she's tenacious, and she does some very interesting things.

That I have more fun with a Danish girl than with the F1 gods... it's not normal. I think I'll wait until next season to talk about AM and his stuff. Because they've improved... but...
Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

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Riccardo Patrese, the former Williams driver, who says Newey was keen to downplay expectations for F1 2026 when the pair spoke at this summer’s Goodwood Festival of Speed.
told a gambling platform: “I spoke with Adrian at Goodwood and he feels that next year they won’t be ready and not raise expectations.

“If they come out and they are ready, it looks better for him!

https://www.planetf1.com/news/adrian-ne ... ut-feeling

The article does not indicate any detail on why they think (if it is true) they are not ready.... so it remains pure speculations

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Otromundo wrote:
03 Sep 2025, 15:23
When Alonso's tire strategy went down the drain again, I stopped watching the race. It's happened to me a lot lately.

When I skip F1 races, I usually tinker with the other categories. And for several races, I've focused on an "Academy" competitor, car 12, with a 16-year-old Danish girl at the wheel: Alba Larsen. She's faster than her car, she's tenacious, and she does some very interesting things.

That I have more fun with a Danish girl than with the F1 gods... it's not normal. I think I'll wait until next season to talk about AM and his stuff. Because they've improved... but...
You'll only enjoy F1 if AM F1 is winning ?


I can see why you like to watch the Danish girl and it's not about racing!

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diffuser wrote:
03 Sep 2025, 23:18
Otromundo wrote:
03 Sep 2025, 15:23
When Alonso's tire strategy went down the drain again, I stopped watching the race. It's happened to me a lot lately.
... blablabla ...
Because they've improved... but...
You'll only enjoy F1 if AM F1 is winning ?


I can see why you like to watch the Danish girl and it's not about racing!
Hahaha, don't suspect anything strange. I would never dream of anything strange with a 16-year-old girl. She's friendly, has pleasant Nordic features, and that could help her get sponsors. But I recommend you watch her races because I know you'll like them, you naughty brat :lol: :lol: :lol:

As for the important thing... this ALO thing is an endless torment. And - of course - in the end you end up exhausted because something always goes wrong. Even starting off promisingly, it slowly gets ruined. Because of that, and given the situation of the season and what we've seen so far... after seeing again that they're unable to progressively improve during the Ps and that they arrive at the Q worse than they started... and the strategic errors with the tires and the failure to anticipate events during the race... fxxk... they're driving me crazy.

I guess I'll recover if they finally manage to function as a competitive team. For now, even though they've improved, they still look like the Marx Brothers cabinet... And I don't like that.

Look at the Danish girl and tell me. Car number 12, and she always comes from behind. The girl is a sight to behold, even though her cars look like toys.
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