2025 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 05 - Sep 07

[venkyhere]

Ferrari ran with less detuned engines than McLaren and Redbull. They have to, in front of the home crowd/media.
What was really funny was TedKravitz reporting that McLaren & Ferrari have more 'rear wing' than the Redbull. It's true in the case of the McLaren but completely wrong in case of Ferrari. The Ferrari RW looks like two sheets of paper, less to nothing 'spoon' in the mainplane ; whilst the Redbull RW's mainplane has some 'spoon'.

[dren]

The Red Bull gives you wings.

[Mogster]

I think the home favourites will struggle here.

The car as is well known, appears to lose much of its pace unless it's slammed....especially on high speed tracks. They could slam the car but the plank will get destroyed through Lesmo 1 & 2 plus Ascari. Quali I could see them placing well (Hamilton's penalty aside), but I think they'll struggle to maintain position in the race.

They could of course go with raising the car but then they'll not qualify well. Third option is risk it all at Monza and hope they don't wear the plank down enough for a DSQ.

They were certainly struggling in FP1...

They don’t have to worry about plank wear in FP1, they can burn as much timber as they like. It’s a glory run.

[AnotherAlex]

I think the home favourites will struggle here.

The car as is well known, appears to lose much of its pace unless it's slammed....especially on high speed tracks. They could slam the car but the plank will get destroyed through Lesmo 1 & 2 plus Ascari. Quali I could see them placing well (Hamilton's penalty aside), but I think they'll struggle to maintain position in the race.

They could of course go with raising the car but then they'll not qualify well. Third option is risk it all at Monza and hope they don't wear the plank down enough for a DSQ.

They were certainly struggling in FP1...

They don’t have to worry about plank wear in FP1, they can burn as much timber as they like. It’s a glory run.

Anyone who suggests setting the car up for glory runs with a ride height known to be unsustainable would be the first person I would sack from the team.
If Ferrari wanted to go for glory during FP, they would just go with the tried and tested high engine mode and low fuel, rather than waste time on a set-up they know they can't use.

(FWIW, FP1 looked more like others failing to set representative times due to interruptions, etc., rather than glory runs.)

[dren]

Agree, I think Ferrari will be competitive.

[Mansell89]

Williams a genuine threat or will they just slightly drop back tomorrow?

[search]

Williams a genuine threat or will they just slightly drop back tomorrow?

Monza always was a good track for Williams, so with the better car now, I guess they could more or less stay in the mix



This year that they often struggle to get the softs into the right window for Qualifying, though.

[venkyhere]

After looking at the FP1-FP2 data, if the cars don't change much between Friday and Sunday, I expect the McLarens and Max to be running a separate quali and separate race from the rest of the grid. Yes, Ferrari are not in the mix, despite occupying the leading positions in the Friday timing charts. The amount of sandbagging (probably engine protection) that both Mclarens and Max are doing, is lulling the tifosi and the casual spectator into thinking that the other 17 are 'in the mix'. The data says a different story. I am sure the teams have already figured out this fact in the middle of these sessions itself.

[Vettel165]

Q3 expecting something like this. I am usually wrong though, but I can try.

1. Max
2. Leclerc
3. Norris
4. Piastri
5. Russel
6. Hamilton

[search]

tire wiese, there are some slight differences now. Verstappen kept two hards, Mercedes and Hadjar two mediums. Everyone else 1xH 1xM 5xS

[SB15]

Q3 expecting something like this. I am usually wrong though, but I can try.

1. Max
2. Leclerc
3. Norris
4. Piastri
5. Russel
6. Hamilton

Leclerc gotten a massive tow in Sector 1. I'm more surprised that the Mercedes (RUS) is the closet to the McLaren's in S2

The Ferrari struggles in S2 & S3

[ToffeeTyres]

Q3 expecting something like this. I am usually wrong though, but I can try.

1. Max
2. Leclerc
3. Norris
4. Piastri
5. Russel
6. Hamilton

Leclerc gotten a massive tow in Sector 1. I'm more surprised that the Mercedes (RUS) is the closet to the McLaren's in S2

The Ferrari struggles in S2 & S3

Max also had a tow to finish line on his

[ToffeeTyres]

Going to be close this just hope no one goes off especially the Ferrari’s being so low on downforce

[search]

Leclerc gained like 2 tenths from the tow, but immediately lost them again in the chicane (compared to his lap before). So he didn't really benefit from it, if the F1 tempo data is to be believed.

[venkyhere]

The key to grabbing front row in Q3 will be to do the banker lap before the Ferraris do. With the kind of downforce they have, I woudn't be surprised if one of them goes off track limits and spits gravel onto the track in one of the lesmo turns or the ascari chicane. It will take something super-special (lap of the gods) for ferrari to be on the front row.