2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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So wish Yuki could pin his car in second for a few races so to offer Max a better shot. Dang it. It would really help strategies and mixing it up with Macca.
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Just how good friends are Max and Lando?

If Max ends up completely out of the WDC hunt, but is still mixing it with Lando and Oscar, I wonder if he might be convinced to help his friend out. Perhaps he could make it easier for Lando to overtake than Oscar for example?
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WardenOfTheNorth wrote:
22 Sep 2025, 12:06
Just how good friends are Max and Lando?

If Max ends up completely out of the WDC hunt, but is still mixing it with Lando and Oscar, I wonder if he might be convinced to help his friend out. Perhaps he could make it easier for Lando to overtake than Oscar for example?
If I know Max a bit, I think he couldn't care less, especially in a race situation: if he sees an opportunity to win a race, he will divebombs into Lando as much as into Oscar.

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euv2 wrote:
22 Sep 2025, 04:28
I don't see any corners in Singapore that should cause the RB21 any problems in particular, this car has mostly suffered on long radius corners, the types that are plenty in in Hungary and Zandvoort. Singapore is mostly sharp corners, very Baku like in that regard, most corners in low 100kmph range, not much in the MCL 160-220 range; the only major obstacles will be kerbs and how quickly the car settles from the bumps. Last year the RB20 avoided the kerbs like the plague, whilst Norris ran over them wherever he could, no problem. I expect Max to do more of this, this time round. If so, Max will be very competitive.

At no point during the Baku race was Norris really threatening Yuki, spent the end of the 1st stint 2secs away and not really able to close the gap. The MCL didn't really look particularly strong in the race in any sectors this weekend. I was expecting them to be strong in sector 2 but didnt happen. Max was by far the best in sector 2. Norris did have dirty air but usually MCL pace is strong enough to overcome this.

RB21 since the Monza upgrades has looked really solid all round, performance in the Lesmos and Parabolica with lower downforce Rear wing was really encouraging and now in Baku, performing really well in the low speed, esp. in race pace. Need a bit more luck to go our way but if Max can keep this up, the pressure will keep mountning and PIA will have to decide between keeping it safe and really going for it. 1 more DNF/stinker from Oscar is needed to really spice things up, as it will deter from MCL focussing on 1 driver. I'm happy that RBR has actually found something, this middle patch of the season was dire.
The car will run maximum downforce and track temperatures will be high and the tires will be softer .so more variables to worry about. Mercedes will suffer from high heat Ferrari will be a question mark usually they do well in street circuits but there Baku performance was not convincing

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You won’t get Max gifting any points away. It’s not how he works.

Perez Brazil 2023? Was a good example of that.
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Chuckjr wrote:
22 Sep 2025, 11:44
So wish Yuki could pin his car in second for a few races so to offer Max a better shot. Dang it. It would really help strategies and mixing it up with Macca.
I do not think the place is reflecting the pace. He finally had a good Q run, while many others bottled it. Without PIA, NOR, LEC, HAM, bottling it, maybe HAD having a rather bad Q, he would have started again on P10 best.
The rest was an optimal strategy, while the Med starters has a hard time and could not overtake...so very special circumstances.
I fear Spore will be bad for both again, even more for Yuki.
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Matt-A wrote:
21 Apr 2025, 18:55
As I said before the race, it's very clear now that this RB is the fastest car. I think the gap versus other cars will only increase now and it will be another WDC winning year for RB.
I'm feeling more and more confident about this.

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But it has yet to be confirmed. McLaren strength is in the mideum speed corners. The last two race tracks were similar straight and slow speed corners so let see how redbull fare in other tracks .but as of now they don't seem to have any disadvantages even tire wear ,I think that was down to downforce redbull can now run the car lower and save tires.mclaren car is a little draggy that's a weakness. They also have a problem being that Max beat them before when he had a slower car now that he has a fast car they have problems.

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Something interesting from the Baku race laps data :
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thoughts ?

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chrisc90 wrote:
22 Sep 2025, 13:30
You won’t get Max gifting any points away. It’s not how he works.

Perez Brazil 2023? Was a good example of that.
Brazil 22 right? But Max on track doesn't care about friendships and all. It's full send.
Call a spade, a spade.

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I already said after Monza that RB will dominate in Baku. Their traction out of the corners is crazy. Which means good mechanical grip. They somehow managed to balance their car, now it's like in 2023.

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It is crazy that one upgrade can do this, especially when mekies was playing down the upgrade in question

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What do you guys think of this.
Suspicion that Redbull are doing the changes on steering wheel from pit or running automatic and that the driver is not doing the changes. If this is so, and it's a big if, would it be illegal?
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johnny vee wrote:
22 Sep 2025, 16:44


What do you guys think of this.
Suspicion that Redbull are doing the changes on steering wheel from pit or running automatic and that the driver is not doing the changes. If this is so, and it's a big if, would it be illegal?
Nothing its just a youtuber which is not happy when his team is not winning anymore. Just being salty thats it…

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venkyhere wrote:
22 Sep 2025, 14:40
Something interesting from the Baku race laps data :
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https://i.ibb.co/n8CzPkRK/Baku-fastest-race-laps.png

thoughts ?
The engine mode is normal. The RB21 is not a low drag car. When everyone is running skinny wings RB is competitive but nothing special in terms of drag. What you see here is simply Max running in free air and the others running in a tow.