2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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_cerber1 wrote:
29 Sep 2025, 11:08
Waz wrote:
29 Sep 2025, 10:33
Lawson just defended for his life against Tsunoda. Any suggestions that VCARB drivers would help him even in Q2 is fantasy.
In fact, it's a reality; Ricciardo's best lap in Singapore 24, is further proof of that. The junior Red Bull team is under manual control. I wouldn't be surprised if the McLaren drivers suffer at their hands this season.
Bait used to be believable.
Call a spade, a spade.

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Just last year Lawson (in the RacingBull) pushed max from 10 to 11 (and out of Q3) in the qualy. He kept Max behind in Hungary this year.

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_cerber1 wrote:
29 Sep 2025, 08:24
ispano6 wrote:
29 Sep 2025, 02:03
If they seriously are aiming for P2, then I would expect more teamwork to ensure Q3 for Yuki. The margins are tight and I wouldn't be surprised to see teammates from other teams giving a tow.
It's not fair or sporting. It's high time to resolve the issue with satellite teams.
Wow. Is this the new 'copium capsule' that Mclaren fans are cooking, in case the improbable, 0.01% probability thing, becomes a reality ?

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Mekies’ impact has been minimal so far. Red Bull remains very much the team shaped by Christian Horner, who personally selected and hired the key technical leaders. The new floor was developed by the aero and design departments in close collaboration with the performance engineers—groups headed by Enrico Balbo, Craig Skinner, and Ben Waterhouse, all under the supervision of Pierre Waché. Every one of them was brought in by Horner. Mekies hasn’t been involved in designing the floor; his current role is focused on managing trackside operations, while the foundation of the team was built through Horner’s vision.

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pantherxxx wrote:
29 Sep 2025, 18:44
Mekies’ impact has been minimal so far. Red Bull remains very much the team shaped by Christian Horner, who personally selected and hired the key technical leaders. The new floor was developed by the aero and design departments in close collaboration with the performance engineers—groups headed by Enrico Balbo, Craig Skinner, and Ben Waterhouse, all under the supervision of Pierre Waché. Every one of them was brought in by Horner. Mekies hasn’t been involved in designing the floor; his current role is focused on managing trackside operations, while the foundation of the team was built through Horner’s vision.
As stated by LM himself.

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lio007 wrote:
29 Sep 2025, 21:22
pantherxxx wrote:
29 Sep 2025, 18:44
Mekies’ impact has been minimal so far. Red Bull remains very much the team shaped by Christian Horner, who personally selected and hired the key technical leaders. The new floor was developed by the aero and design departments in close collaboration with the performance engineers—groups headed by Enrico Balbo, Craig Skinner, and Ben Waterhouse, all under the supervision of Pierre Waché. Every one of them was brought in by Horner. Mekies hasn’t been involved in designing the floor; his current role is focused on managing trackside operations, while the foundation of the team was built through Horner’s vision.
As stated by LM himself.
Who is LM !?
HuggaWugga !

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langedweil wrote:
29 Sep 2025, 21:33
lio007 wrote:
29 Sep 2025, 21:22
As stated by LM himself.
Who is LM !?
Wild guess: Laurent Mekies

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TimW wrote:
29 Sep 2025, 21:44
langedweil wrote:
29 Sep 2025, 21:33
lio007 wrote:
29 Sep 2025, 21:22

As stated by LM himself.
Who is LM !?
Wild guess: Laurent Mekies
Exactly

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TimW wrote:
29 Sep 2025, 21:44
langedweil wrote:
29 Sep 2025, 21:33
lio007 wrote:
29 Sep 2025, 21:22

As stated by LM himself.
Who is LM !?
Wild guess: Laurent Mekies
Ha .. just couldn't make that up myself :lol:
Silly .. but now clear
HuggaWugga !

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lio007 wrote:
29 Sep 2025, 21:22
pantherxxx wrote:
29 Sep 2025, 18:44
Mekies’ impact has been minimal so far. Red Bull remains very much the team shaped by Christian Horner, who personally selected and hired the key technical leaders. The new floor was developed by the aero and design departments in close collaboration with the performance engineers—groups headed by Enrico Balbo, Craig Skinner, and Ben Waterhouse, all under the supervision of Pierre Waché. Every one of them was brought in by Horner. Mekies hasn’t been involved in designing the floor; his current role is focused on managing trackside operations, while the foundation of the team was built through Horner’s vision.
As stated by LM himself.
I don't think him stating anything changes things in the end. Most people will attribute success to him regardless.

In the end he is doing all the right things by getting all the brownie points and that's a good thing for a team that was under very dark clouds recently due to reasons I shall not mention.

Regardless, the team has recovered pretty well all things considered. If the team can win a few more races, in this budget cap era, with the constraint on Wind Tunnel and CFD restrictions Red Bull faced and after the downfall last year -- the team would have done quite well to establish itself as the second best car overall this year. Sure there were some very low points this year as well but then overall the car has been better than expected as pre-season it looked like Red Bull would not steer clear of Mercedes and Ferrari.
Call a spade, a spade.

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LM brought a change in attitude. Listen and value the drivers feedback. For example bigger wing (PW) versus smaller wing (MV)

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I feel the narrative is a bit much PR talk. Favtually, Horner turned the tide, but was thrown under the bus too soon. RBR needs a nice storyline to step past the ugly mid-season powerplay.

All hope was lost. Even their top driver was snoozing and entertaining talks with competitiors.

What do you do in anybtactical sport? Creat difference. Bolting on you regular optimum RW is silly. You are too slow and sinking towards the midfield. A lower rear wing is the only way out. It backfired in the Rain, and now MV lucked out 2 times in a row. Lower rear wing is a big gamble. The one they'd usually avoid.

MV can handle a looser rear, most drivers hesitate to overtake and gives Max opportunity to attack, but just as easily it backfires on you.

I'm not sure if they have this "new culture of listening to the driver". I think they they are just going for the long shot and pray Max makes the overtakes and keeps it out of the wall.

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I feel the narrative is a bit much PR talk. Favtually, Horner turned the tide, but was thrown under the bus too soon. RBR needs a nice storyline to step past the ugly mid-season powerplay.

All hope was lost. Even their top driver was snoozing and entertaining talks with competitiors.

What do you do in any tactical sport? Creat difference. Bolting on you regular optimum RW is silly. You are too slow and sinking towards the midfield. A lower rear wing is the only way out. It backfired in the Rain, and now MV lucked out 2 times in a row. Lower rear wing is a big gamble. The one they'd usually avoid.

MV can handle a looser rear, most drivers hesitate to overtake and gives Max opportunity to attack, but just as easily it backfires on you.

I'm not sure if they have this "new culture of listening to the driver". I think they they are just going for the long shot and pray Max makes the overtakes and keeps it out of the wall.

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Henk_v wrote:
01 Oct 2025, 10:01
I feel the narrative is a bit much PR talk. Favtually, Horner turned the tide, but was thrown under the bus too soon. RBR needs a nice storyline to step past the ugly mid-season powerplay.

All hope was lost. Even their top driver was snoozing and entertaining talks with competitiors.

What do you do in anybtactical sport? Creat difference. Bolting on you regular optimum RW is silly. You are too slow and sinking towards the midfield. A lower rear wing is the only way out. It backfired in the Rain, and now MV lucked out 2 times in a row. Lower rear wing is a big gamble. The one they'd usually avoid.

MV can handle a looser rear, most drivers hesitate to overtake and gives Max opportunity to attack, but just as easily it backfires on you.

I'm not sure if they have this "new culture of listening to the driver". I think they they are just going for the long shot and pray Max makes the overtakes and keeps it out of the wall.
If it is just about low df wing, then how would you explain improved balance, traction and slow corner performance? And optimal Friday setups for FP right from the box?

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Paa wrote:
01 Oct 2025, 11:03
Henk_v wrote:
01 Oct 2025, 10:01
I feel the narrative is a bit much PR talk. Favtually, Horner turned the tide, but was thrown under the bus too soon. RBR needs a nice storyline to step past the ugly mid-season powerplay.

All hope was lost. Even their top driver was snoozing and entertaining talks with competitiors.

What do you do in anybtactical sport? Creat difference. Bolting on you regular optimum RW is silly. You are too slow and sinking towards the midfield. A lower rear wing is the only way out. It backfired in the Rain, and now MV lucked out 2 times in a row. Lower rear wing is a big gamble. The one they'd usually avoid.

MV can handle a looser rear, most drivers hesitate to overtake and gives Max opportunity to attack, but just as easily it backfires on you.

I'm not sure if they have this "new culture of listening to the driver". I think they they are just going for the long shot and pray Max makes the overtakes and keeps it out of the wall.
If it is just about low df wing, then how would you explain improved balance, traction and slow corner performance? And optimal Friday setups for FP right from the box?
A massive front wing and a small rear wing should eliminate understeer so in theory improve low speed corners.
We need to see what a massive front wing and a massive rear wing does in 4 days time mainly after the race because with the fresh tyres Max will once again challenge for pole, even before the B spec RB21 Max still challenged for and won pole positions.
Just a fan's point of view