2025 McLaren F1 Team

[Ben1980]

Oscar won't do anything rash, neither will Lando. Both very sensible drivers.

Everyone thinks "clearly" when the helmet is off. Lando almost took out both Mclarens in T3 today. That's what happens when the visor goes down, and a championship is on the line. Lando is getting desperate. Suddenly that 6 point fabrication in Monza could be decisive, and Oscar will rue many of the decisions he has made this year.

How will Mclaren make up for Oscar's bad pitstop today? He was only 2 seconds behind Lando at the line. He lost much more than that with the pit stop. This is why Mclaren shouldn't have done what they did in Monza.

Whats the pit stop got to do with anything? Thats a weird thing to say.

Not sure Lando did anything desperate either.

[Ben1980]

Having seen the pace of Hamilton on softs, and Sainz went onto softs and did some overtaking ( he says , tv showed none of it) could pounding on with the mediums and straight to softs been a better option?

[WardenOfTheNorth]

Having seen the pace of Hamilton on softs, and Sainz went onto softs and did some overtaking ( he says , tv showed none of it) could pounding on with the mediums and straight to softs been a better option?

Sainz must have done some overtaking to finish where he did as I think he was only 10th before he stopped. I could be wrong though.

[Ben1980]

Having seen the pace of Hamilton on softs, and Sainz went onto softs and did some overtaking ( he says , tv showed none of it) could pounding on with the mediums and straight to softs been a better option?

Sainz must have done some overtaking to finish where he did as I think he was only 10th before he stopped. I could be wrong though.

His twitter says he did some strong overtakes. But tv didn't show any. It seems the offsett needed was the softs against older hards

[Macklaren]

Having seen the pace of Hamilton on softs, and Sainz went onto softs and did some overtaking ( he says , tv showed none of it) could pounding on with the mediums and straight to softs been a better option?

If there was anything to complain about today, it was that the team thought that LEC was a much bigger threat to PIA than he actually was and that made both drivers pit earlier than they would have wanted. Their pace was good on old Mediums and maybe Softs could have been in the play at the end...so says Captain Hindsight

[mwillems]

congrats on WCC, the engineering teams deserves nothing less.

There is high probability for a double DNF, since the gloves are going to come off next race onwards. Piastri is pissed, he is questioning how come Norris is able to 'get away' by choosing to collide sideways, rather than brake and give up his attempt. When Piastri passed him in Imola, he didn't touch. IMHO he isn't "whining" , just questioning McLaren's 'iron-clad' papaya rules where "drivers shouldn't collide with each other" diktat is golden. Papaya rules no longer exist, in his opinion.

Not complaining, not mocking, not tarnishing. McLaren's 'driver policy' (it's given them WCC 6 races before end of season, which is also important, not just an excellent car) , is going to face a severe test - just an "evaluation" of mine.

Yep, gloves are off now, unquestionably. But it was always going to be like this way. It's every man for himself from here on in and the Papaya rules are almost certainly dead in the water.

Lando took too much speed in and Max and Oscar acted as the brakes, nothing wrong, ultimately, but he'll be right to be p*ssed and Mark Webber will be in his ear telling him to give no quarter from now on.

As shown in the race coverage, it looked worse from Oscar's onboard than it did from other angles.

I think once Oscar sees the other views he will appreciate that it was a racing incident and no riskier than some of the moves Oscar has tried on Lando in previous races, such as his lunge in Austria.

Six races to go and every point counts. There is no chance either driver will not do everything they can.

No need to debate it, let's watch over the coming races.

[Badger]

Isn’t the incident just as much Oscar’s fault if we take the rules as they are written currently? Lando is the overtaking car, he’s on the inside, and his front wheels are well ahead of Oscar’s mirrors long before the point of contact. According to previous rulings this year that makes it Lando’s corner, and it’s actually Oscar’s responsibility to back out. Now you could argue that Lando needs to be in control of his car and not drive erratically in the middle of the corner, but a bit of wheel banging that doesn’t result in any damage isn’t really considered a “collision” on the first corner of the race. The move was on and I’m glad the stewards were consistent for once.

[Arcanum]

Watching the start a few times, it looked a little like Verstappen backed Norris into Piastri.

Verstappen wasn't particularly quick through T3, and Norris wasn't out of shape until he hit Verstappen, while also being right under Verstappen's rear wing.

"Payback" for Saturday?

[Ashwinv16]

I am going to be the first one to say this Boldy. Given the situation where Norris is closer to Piastri. McLaren's higher ups will favor for Norris to win the championship. Everyone knows this will happen bu no one want to admit it. If i am running Mclaren, I for one would make sure Norris wins. Piastri has gotten lucky cause this years car is suited to Piastri in qualifying while Norris has been able to get better in the race but the car struggles massively in dirty air. However with Red Bull catching up, the set-up will be moving towards Norris liking. Honestly if Norris stops bottling Qualifying its his championship to lose.

[Ben1980]

I am going to be the first one to say this Boldy. Given the situation where Norris is closer to Piastri. McLaren's higher ups will favor for Norris to win the championship. Everyone knows this will happen bu no one want to admit it. If i am running Mclaren, I for one would make sure Norris wins. Piastri has gotten lucky cause this years car is suited to Piastri in qualifying while Norris has been able to get better in the race but the car struggles massively in dirty air. However with Red Bull catching up, the set-up will be moving towards Norris liking. Honestly if Norris stops bottling Qualifying its his championship to lose.

I will be the first to boldly reply, I think this is nonsense. Thanks.

[FittingMechanics]

Oscar won't do anything rash, neither will Lando. Both very sensible drivers.

Everyone thinks "clearly" when the helmet is off. Lando almost took out both Mclarens in T3 today. That's what happens when the visor goes down, and a championship is on the line. Lando is getting desperate. Suddenly that 6 point fabrication in Monza could be decisive, and Oscar will rue many of the decisions he has made this year.

How will Mclaren make up for Oscar's bad pitstop today? He was only 2 seconds behind Lando at the line. He lost much more than that with the pit stop. This is why Mclaren shouldn't have done what they did in Monza.

Whats the pit stop got to do with anything? Thats a weird thing to say.

Not sure Lando did anything desperate either.

It comes down from misunderstanding why they made the switch in Monza. It was not because Lando lost some time in the pitstop. It was because he conceded his right to pit first in order to help Piastri. This meant that Piastri gains a bit by the undercut. With the mistake in the pistop that undercut gained him a place.

It's the same reason why Norris was asked to give back his spot in Hungary 2024 (where he was much faster than Piastri). He overtook Piastri there because he was given the first pistop to protect against cars from behind.

Situation here is completely clear. Norris went to pits first and if he had a slow pitstop they would not have made any switch because he didn't give away first pitstop right.

Having seen the pace of Hamilton on softs, and Sainz went onto softs and did some overtaking ( he says , tv showed none of it) could pounding on with the mediums and straight to softs been a better option?

Yeah. I think that may have been a better strategy than going halfway like they did. If the drivers were not so laser focused on each other I am sure that one of the drivers would have gone long. You can gain with any safety car, VSC or a red flag and you will have a huge tire delta at the end.

[DDopey]

The problem with the situation is that Piastri was not putting in the strong fight he would have done with a different driver as we have papaya rules. You cannot ask from your driver to give a place back in one situation and in another ask to be aggressive in defending against the same driver. Thats just weird.

[McLarenHonda]

McLaren are just sleeping! They’ll wait till Max gets within 25 points of Piastri…

You have both of your cars close behind Verstapen…why not try and undercut with at least one of them? It’s what all teams would do if they had the chance! What a nonsense championship by McLaren…they’ll just lose the WDC in the end and then pretend they don’t care…

[mwillems]

I am going to be the first one to say this Boldy. Given the situation where Norris is closer to Piastri. McLaren's higher ups will favor for Norris to win the championship. Everyone knows this will happen bu no one want to admit it. If i am running Mclaren, I for one would make sure Norris wins. Piastri has gotten lucky cause this years car is suited to Piastri in qualifying while Norris has been able to get better in the race but the car struggles massively in dirty air. However with Red Bull catching up, the set-up will be moving towards Norris liking. Honestly if Norris stops bottling Qualifying its his championship to lose.

Do you think.its possible that those that "dont admit it" actually just don't think that will happen?

If you're looking for a TP that would do that then I suspect you have somewhat misjudged Stella. I find the chances absolutely miniscule that Stella would deliberately hinder one drivers chances and then lie about it.

It's the exact opposite of who this guy is.

[Szabi1112]

Despite the bad qualifying i guess we had the fastest car today.