2025 McLaren F1 Team

[Dimond]

Should we as fans of the sport be catering to this Papaya rules garbage or should we reward racing?

The Papaya rules are:

1. The drivers are free to race each other
2. The drivers must not collide
3. The team's actions must not interfere in their fight

That's it.
McLaren should stick with these rules no matter what social media with memory of a gold fish say

[ivanlesk]

Im really staggered by the amount of people who think there is an agenda against Oscar within Mclaren.

All because of one lap in Australia in changeable conditions, giving a tow in Monza and the swap, its bizarre.

Actualy is is sad!

Amount of people willing to watch F1 as some kind of reality show. Without basic understanding how F1 team operates or how motorsport works in general.

RB, Mercedes and co can watch jealousy how McLaren is managing their team. Nobody si perfect in managin two drivers, but McLaren is doing better job than anyone else.

And whoever loses WDC thos year won't be mad with team and will go in 2026 with full confidance that team is behind him.

Congrats McLarend on WCC.

[ivanlesk]

Should we as fans of the sport be catering to this Papaya rules garbage or should we reward racing?

The Papaya rules are:

1. The drivers are free to race each other
2. The drivers must not collide
3. The team's actions must not interfere in their fight

That's it.
McLaren should stick with these rules no matter what social media with memory of a gold fish say

McLaren should do whatever they feel doing at that moment if that benefits team. Who gives .. what media or escpecialy McLaren haters think.

[DDopey]

Should we as fans of the sport be catering to this Papaya rules garbage or should we reward racing?

The Papaya rules are:

1. The drivers are free to race each other
2. The drivers must not collide
3. The team's actions must not interfere in their fight

That's it.
McLaren should stick with these rules no matter what social media with memory of a gold fish say

But if those are the rules they do not follow them:
1. Ok..
2. But they did collide.
3. The did interfere after bad pit stop in Monza.

[f1isgood]

Even McLaren does not know what these rules are. Fans can make anything up to keep up with their bubbles however.

[WardenOfTheNorth]

Should we as fans of the sport be catering to this Papaya rules garbage or should we reward racing?

The Papaya rules are:

1. The drivers are free to race each other
2. The drivers must not collide
3. The team's actions must not interfere in their fight

That's it.
McLaren should stick with these rules no matter what social media with memory of a gold fish say

But if those are the rules they do not follow them:
1. Ok..
2. But they did collide.
3. The did interfere after bad pit stop in Monza.

Ok but

2. It was a tiny touch and didn’t damage Oscar’s car with only minor damage to Lando’s caused by the contact with Max’s car

3. If they hadn’t swapped them in Monza then THAT would have been interfering because the team gave Oscar the advantage of the earlier stop.

[WardenOfTheNorth]

Stella doesn't own Mclaren. You about to see what rally happened during the 2--7 season at McLaren pretty much happen again.

And Mclaren dont own Stella, its extremely unlikely he'd compromise his principles. He's explained to the drivers how they will be equal, you really think hed lie to the fans and the drivers after making such a big deal of equal treatment?

This was said in 2007 as well until it fell apart once the upgrades starting favoring Lewis looser rear end style and until the Hungary incident after which things started to be more equal in a bid to keep Alonso but it was too late (costing them the constructors in 2008). (Although Fernando threw his chance of winning the championship by crashing out in Fiji and same for Lewis in China)

Starting in Singapore(Maybe even Baku but not sure) changes have been made to suit the car Norris better(set-up wise so no upgrades but mostly ballast tuning and rear wing angles (TO BOTH CARS EVEN IF PAISTRI DOESNT WANT THE SET-UP, cause they have to go in that direction to mitigate improvements made by others, will make the car harder to drive but will keep the tyres alive) but Norris Bottled Qualifying (mostly also due to the lack of front end bite which is track specific and that affects Norris more) which meant he got stuck behind Verstappen. The truer picture will be seen at Austin where there will be a difference between Norris and Piastiri. Norris knows this which is why he was way more aggressive at the start knowing he will be faster and well he was.

Honestly even I hope this isn't the case but I found out it isn't and well everyone will too. The Narrative will be "Norris found something inside him in the last few races" to explain the larger gap between the two teammates compared to the previous races, although until Qatar there aren't tracks left where Norris front end limitation will be pronounced. And even if Qualifying goes bad, the gaps going to be big enough that Norris will just Overtake Piastri in the race.

So you’re saying that in order to better compete with other teams, McLaren will force a SLOWER setup onto Oscar?? (Because he will invariably be slower if the setup does not suit him).

Literally the only person I’ve seen state this is you and it does not stand up to any kind of logical analysis. Especially given that the team already developed 2 different suspension setups to suit both drivers.

[Dimond]

Should we as fans of the sport be catering to this Papaya rules garbage or should we reward racing?

The Papaya rules are:

1. The drivers are free to race each other
2. The drivers must not collide
3. The team's actions must not interfere in their fight

That's it.
McLaren should stick with these rules no matter what social media with memory of a gold fish say

But if those are the rules they do not follow them:
1. Ok..
2. But they did collide.
3. The did interfere after bad pit stop in Monza.

2. They did it and they will likely do it again. Behind the scenes, team management must exercise its authority to make sure the drivers understand they will be held accountable for their on-track actions
3. The bad pitstop was interference itself. No driver action or decision contributed to it, so the team decided to restore the status quo

[Ben1980]

Haven't the team been open to accept there will likely be contact between them. The aim is race hard and fair but try not to cross the line, and thats fine.

I think the only real line cross was Canada, which was owned. Though its been straddled occasionally.

[BMMR61]

The saying "damned if you do, damned if you don't" comes to mind.

People have been itching to see open wheel to wheel combat between Lando and Oscar, now we've had a glimpse of it (again). The WCC has been decided but the WDC could elude the team if the drivers get into contact on a heavier scale than Singapore. Actually Lando was lucky with the front wing - a little more damage and/or it being deemed as a black flag situation by the stewards, and he would have probably lost about 10 points (or more) to Oscar.

If the McLaren pair can both hold their nerves for another couple of races and outscore Max then they can engage in no-holds-barred racing without any prospect of Max stealing the title.

[WardenOfTheNorth]

Haven't the team been open to accept there will likely be contact between them. The aim is race hard and fair but try not to cross the line, and thats fine.

I think the only real line cross was Canada, which was owned. Though its been straddled occasionally.

Indeed. They have even said that they know that there WILL be contact again.

[Ben1980]

Haven't the team been open to accept there will likely be contact between them. The aim is race hard and fair but try not to cross the line, and thats fine.

I think the only real line cross was Canada, which was owned. Though its been straddled occasionally.

Indeed. They have even said that they know that there WILL be contact again.

https://www.espn.co.uk/racing/f1/story/ ... ppen-again

Just found this, there have been prepared and expected sonething. And thats all very understanding.

[Badger]

Should we as fans of the sport be catering to this Papaya rules garbage or should we reward racing?

The Papaya rules are:

1. The drivers are free to race each other
2. The drivers must not collide
3. The team's actions must not interfere in their fight

That's it.
McLaren should stick with these rules no matter what social media with memory of a gold fish say

All the rules were followed. We’re not going to call that little first lap touching a “collision” are we? Or is F1 like football now where drivers go flying like Neymar after someone touches their toe.

Lando was just polishing Oscar’s rim

[gshevlin]

All teams have racing rules between team-mates, even if they are not written down and they don't talk about them publicly.
The minimum number of rules is 1.
1. Do not run into each other.

[djones]

The team celebrating the WCC without Piastri was very sad to see. In fact, it was pretty disgusting.