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[ScuderiaLeo]

There's some Italian media outlets reporting that people in Maranello aren't happy with Leclerc because he's been more vocal about the car being bad recently.

Now these articles are more than likely BS and none of these outlets have real connections with Ferrari (at least not with the engineering team) the only way this could be real is if Ferrari planted it themselves, not out of the question but we have no way of knowing. Either way what worries me is that these kinds of sentiments also happened when rumors of Vettel leaving started in 2019. Articles about his faith in the team wavering, pointing out his changing demeanor in interviews, discourse from the media about how some parts of the team dislike him, hell, even the interviews from people around them add to the fire (Leclerc's manager said last week that "all drivers need to be open to changes") Exactly the same "beginning of the end" vibes of their relationship with Ferrari breaking down.

I know people here want Leclerc to leave the team and I understand that for his own sake. But as a Ferrari fan I'd much rather he stay. It just unfortunately seems like all the signs are pointing to him leaving in 2027, and every week I grow more confident about this.

[yooogurt]

There's some Italian media outlets reporting that people in Maranello aren't happy with Leclerc because he's been more vocal about the car being bad recently.

Now these articles are more than likely BS and none of these outlets have real connections with Ferrari (at least not with the engineering team) the only way this could be real is if Ferrari planted it themselves, not out of the question but we have no way of knowing. Either way what worries me is that these kinds of sentiments also happened when rumors of Vettel leaving started in 2019. Articles about his faith in the team wavering, pointing out his changing demeanor in interviews, discourse from the media about how some parts of the team dislike him, hell, even the interviews from people around them add to the fire (Leclerc's manager said last week that "all drivers need to be open to changes") Exactly the same "beginning of the end" vibes of their relationship with Ferrari breaking down.

I know people here want Leclerc to leave the team and I understand that for his own sake. But as a Ferrari fan I'd much rather he stay. It just unfortunately seems like all the signs are pointing to him leaving in 2027, and every week I grow more confident about this.

A typical yellow rant from a journalist (if it's even true, because Corriere isn't a very reliable source): one engineer didn't like something, he told the journalist, who made it sound like there were many such engineers, and then all sorts of bloggers and communities will pick up the toxic speech, as if the entire Ferrari team of 1,000+ employees was against Leclerc.

[ScuderiaLeo]

A typical yellow rant from a journalist (if it's even true, because Corriere isn't a very reliable source): one engineer didn't like something, he told the journalist, who made it sound like there were many such engineers, and then all sorts of bloggers and communities will pick up the toxic speech, as if the entire Ferrari team of 1,000+ employees was against Leclerc.

Corriere is pretty reliable when it comes to team drama, they're only famously unreliable for technical information

Anyway I just meant that it's not a coincidence all of this stuff is happening at the same time. Even if the article itself is wrong, it's true that Leclerc has been more vocal about his dissatisfaction this year. There are real signs pointing to Leclerc leaving, as opposed to the conspiracy theories people had in previous seasons.

[f1isgood]

Honestly who can fault him even? So many failed projects. Wasting his prime driving useless cars.

[yooogurt]

There are real signs pointing to Leclerc leaving, as opposed to the conspiracy theories people had in previous seasons.

happens, it won't be a disaster if he leaves, the team will find someone to replace him, even if the replacement is slightly weaker in skill (or maybe it will be Max), it will still be up to the engineers to decide whether they can or not.

[selvam_e2002]

Honestly who can fault him even? So many failed projects. Wasting his prime driving useless cars.

It is Lecrec's responsibility to come out from Ferrari. It seems he has some obligations with Ferrari so he stuck with them.

[catent]

Honestly who can fault him even? So many failed projects. Wasting his prime driving useless cars.

It is Lecrec's responsibility to come out from Ferrari. It seems he has some obligations with Ferrari so he stuck with them.

Leclerc has incredibly strong emotional attachment to Ferrari, especially given the context of Jules Bianchi.

I don't know what exactly you mean by "obligations", but to understand Leclerc's commitment to Ferrari as anything other than (very understandable) personal sentiment, is to miss the mark, IMO.

He simply loves the team and wants to win with them.

[erikejw]

Sergio Marchionne detected that problem.
He improved processes so they should discuss ideas instead of who to listen too.

They were on a forward projectiry then until he passed away. They have definitely fallen back to the old culture.

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Leclerc and Hamilton have even said the team listened to their feedback from the first iteration of the car.

It's just the car has an unsolvable flaw and the upgrades they brought didn't help. That's the fault of the engineering team, though like AR said last month, I think there's many bright "regular" minds in Maranello. The problem is the management who aren't open to their ideas. It's no secret there's a culture of listening to one's superiors in Ferrari, we've heard about that behind the scenes for years.

Them canceling the floor didn't help in any way. The suspension and floor were supposed to fit together, we only have one part actually on the car.
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[AR3-GP]

There are real signs pointing to Leclerc leaving, as opposed to the conspiracy theories people had in previous seasons.

Just because you disagreed with it doesn't make it a conspiracy theory. To the point, if Leclerc goes, Ferrari is finished.

[JPower]

There are real signs pointing to Leclerc leaving, as opposed to the conspiracy theories people had in previous seasons.

Just because you disagreed with it doesn't make it a conspiracy theory. To the point, if Leclerc goes, Ferrari is finished.

Ehhh, I don't know about that. Like any storied sports team, someone good will always take a risk on the chance of becoming the next legend even in the down periods. Seen it way too many times in all major sports.

[AR3-GP]

There are real signs pointing to Leclerc leaving, as opposed to the conspiracy theories people had in previous seasons.

Just because you disagreed with it doesn't make it a conspiracy theory. To the point, if Leclerc goes, Ferrari is finished.

Ehhh, I don't know about that. Like any storied sports team, someone good will always take a risk on the chance of becoming the next legend even in the down periods. Seen it way too many times in all major sports.

In the short term (2026-2029). Leclerc's departure won't happen in isolation. If those conditions are met, then Hamilton will also retire and there will be more fall out (Vasseur gone). It will take some years to rebuild the team's vision.

[deadhead]

Best case scenario is Vassuer practically destroying the technical team with his grand “vision”, both drivers leave next year, which forces fundamental rebuilding of the team for the next 4-5 years so that they can be ready for the next cycle starting in 2031 or whenever.

[Alakshendra]

Most teams fear failure, Ferrari embrace it. They like the idea of a rebuild more than actually doing it. Just look at how Ferrari has behaved through history. You’ve never been allowed to criticize the car. It feels like people at Ferrari doesn't know how to handle constructive feedback. The culture of constant self-improvement is foreign to them.

The only silver lining is New regs in ~6 months means none of the current shortcomings really matter.

[deadhead]

[yooogurt]

To the point, if Leclerc goes, Ferrari is finished.

nice joke