2025 McLaren F1 Team

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Interesting that T5/T6 is turned around from FP1, where Max now gains on Lando. I did see a little twitch when Karun was comparing the laps for Lando though, not sure if car got nervous on a bump or a gust of wind. Then later on, it seems like Max got a much better T15 by braking later. Gains a tenth, but loses half a tenth due to worse exit until the next braking zone. Overall 0.05 better so maybe a thing for them to consider for qualifying tomorrow.

And yeah not sure what happened at T20 but Max nailed that as well. As far as I could tell, not any "big" mistake for Lando there, but he did take a lot of the inside kerb which might have disturbed the exit. He (Lando) tends to do that a lot in general with kerbs actually and to be honest I don't like it at all. Hitting inside kerbs hard doesn't look good most of the time. I guess on some occasions it works out, but it doesn't seem consistent.
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After a result like today where Lando Norris vaporized his teammate to the tune of 3 tenths, it makes me wonder if I fully understand what I am watching.
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AR3-GP wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 00:59
After a result like today where Lando Norris vaporized his teammate to the tune of 3 tenths, it makes me wonder if I fully understand what I am watching.
That is indeed a good question. Oscar doesn't seem to be himself for some races now. He was more than a tenth behind Norris in Monza, he was out in Azerbaijan, he was better in Singapore but 4 tenths off Rusell and 2 from Max in Singapore and 3 tenths off from Max and Norris today.

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Sergej wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 00:41
Lando just said he didn't do a good lap (what a surprise ?), couple this with Max being only 0.071s ahead and you'll get which car is faster.
Lando had 2 snaps that cost him some time, but he was driving the car on its limit judging by the onboard. I don't think a perfect lap would be much quicker. Enough for pole? Very much possible but not by much.

I'd be more worried about the Red Bull being that competitive in S3 considering the fact that it's McLaren territory.

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18 Oct 2025, 01:08
If the Mclaren was setup in the same way, and it could be driven in the same way, it would be 0.2-0.3s faster than the Redbull you saw in this SQ3 lap. That's how much better the Mclaren actually is.
I think these are just hypotheticals that shouldn't be sold as facts in my opinion. Drivers have different preferences, and while some can better drive around issues, they’re quickest when the car suits their style. Red Bull isn’t doing any setup black magic, they’re simply tuning the car in a way their fastest driver feels most comfortable. Max excels with that kind of balance because it fits how he likes to drive. Max is quite vocal when the car isn't to his liking and we have seen that plenty of times this season too. But since Monza, he has always been happy with the balance.

There’s also no proof that a similar setup would even work on the McLaren, with or without Max. Those numbers are just speculation based on Max’s pace over his teammates these past 1.5 years. And unless there’s a source, I don't believe there’s any evidence McLaren tried anything wildly different in Monza. They just weren't fast enough.

A car is only as good as its best driver can exploit it, and since the Monza upgrade, Max has consistently been quicker than McLaren's fastest driver. That makes Red Bull + Max the stronger overall package right now.

The idea that Max could just hop into the McLaren tomorrow and instantly outperform both current drivers doesn’t really hold up in my opinion. If he’d been with them since pre-season shaping the car to his liking, sure I can agree that he probably would have the title wrapped up already. He is more consistent than both McLaren drivers and it's not unreasonable to think he would have had a more comfortable points cushion right now.

But anyway, looking at the situation as is at the moment, Red Bull in Max’s hands is not an inferior car to McLaren. And it hasn't been since Monza.
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You know I wrote something but decided to delete it as Emag covered me completely.

Only thing to add is that Red Bull brought upgrades while Mclaren stopped development a long time now. It's safe to say they have the faster package now. Anyone without wearing rose tinted glasses can see that.

Anyway. Off to a good sprint race tomorrow and a better qualifying.

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Emag wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 00:59
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And yeah not sure what happened at T20 but Max nailed that as well. As far as I could tell, not any "big" mistake for Lando there, but he did take a lot of the inside kerb which might have disturbed the exit. He (Lando) tends to do that a lot in general with kerbs actually and to be honest I don't like it at all. Hitting inside kerbs hard doesn't look good most of the time. I guess on some occasions it works out, but it doesn't seem consistent.
I was wondering about the last turn as well.
It is possible that Max intentionally takes too much speed into the corner, sacrificing the exit. It seem to be worth it for qualy as the finish line is close enough. Of course he would lose out with this on a race.

It would be interesting to see how Max took T20 in his warm-up lap where he needed to optimize for the straight. It would be nice to see a comparison to learn how much he changes the approach.

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Lando was faster by 2 tenths in the last sector. However in sq3 max was faster by 1 tenth. It seems to me Lando didnt do a good lap

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Mclaren always go conservative for the sprint races, I think overall we have the better car here, but let's wait and see.
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Emag wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 01:31
venkyhere wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 01:08
If the Mclaren was setup in the same way, and it could be driven in the same way, it would be 0.2-0.3s faster than the Redbull you saw in this SQ3 lap. That's how much better the Mclaren actually is.
I think these are just hypotheticals that shouldn't be sold as facts in my opinion. Drivers have different preferences, and while some can better drive around issues, they’re quickest when the car suits their style. Red Bull isn’t doing any setup black magic, they’re simply tuning the car in a way their fastest driver feels most comfortable. Max excels with that kind of balance because it fits how he likes to drive. Max is quite vocal when the car isn't to his liking and we have seen that plenty of times this season too. But since Monza, he has always been happy with the balance.

There’s also no proof that a similar setup would even work on the McLaren, with or without Max. Those numbers are just speculation based on Max’s pace over his teammates these past 1.5 years. And unless there’s a source, I don't believe there’s any evidence McLaren tried anything wildly different in Monza. They just weren't fast enough.

A car is only as good as its best driver can exploit it, and since the Monza upgrade, Max has consistently been quicker than McLaren's fastest driver. That makes Red Bull + Max the stronger overall package right now.

The idea that Max could just hop into the McLaren tomorrow and instantly outperform both current drivers doesn’t really hold up in my opinion. If he’d been with them since pre-season shaping the car to his liking, sure I can agree that he probably would have the title wrapped up already. He is more consistent than both McLaren drivers and it's not unreasonable to think he would have had a more comfortable points cushion right now.

But anyway, looking at the situation as is at the moment, Red Bull in Max’s hands is not an inferior car to McLaren. And it hasn't been since Monza.
The data backs norris doesn't beat max when rb21 and mcl39 are 1 tenth in racepace he need the mcl39 to have 3 tenths gap to win. Lando is good but max is better

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Since redbull and McLaren are level oscar looks ordinary and norris faster

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Sigh. Can we leave comments about driver qualify and simping over Max out of the Mclaren forum? Just enjoy the rest of the season.

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Darth-Piekus wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 10:38
Sigh. Can we leave comments about driver qualify and simping over Max out of the Mclaren forum? Just enjoy the rest of the season.
This.

Leave out the sexual crap as well please

The state of some of these posts. It's puerile and it's out of place in this forum.
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Anyway, not wanting to stoke any ‘consequential’ papaya rules talk.

I did notice this myself as well, Max once again went out as late as possible to have the best track conditions.
It’s the result that matters at the end of the day but it’s not as clear cut about the performance differential on the first push lap on a soft tyre for the weekend so far

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mcla ... rris-pole/
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CjC wrote:
18 Oct 2025, 11:48
Anyway, not wanting to stoke any ‘consequential’ papaya rules talk.

I did notice this myself as well, Max once again went out as late as possible to have the best track conditions.
It’s the result that matters at the end of the day but it’s not as clear cut about the performance differential on the first push lap on a soft tyre for the weekend so far

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mcla ... rris-pole/
Pure speculation from The Race as usual.

Funny in the comments people are calling them out for just pulling theories out of thin air, Mark Hughes replies that they "kind of do" know what the consequences are, yet the article is pure speculative clickbait.

Well Mark boy, if you actually knew what the consequences were, then you'd outright say so.
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