2025 McLaren F1 Team

[Farnborough]

Now that Im rewatching the start. Norris has a very slow start and Piastri is half a car in front before the turn. Norris overshoots the turn and sends both of them almost out of bounds. Piastri has no choice but to do a switcharoo otherwise both he and Norris who overshoot the turn risk of losing many places. Piastri looked like to have enough space to that turn as Hulkenberg was nowhere near Piastri. Alonso seemed to be the catalyst that sent Hulkenberg into Piastri otherwise it would have been a clean move.

He had 17 cars behind him, turning into them was never going to be a clean move.

Agree with this .... also Zak Brown is niave if he expects others to believe that Oscar wasn't the architect of his own downfall there.

OP risked all of that for a net 2 point gain (switching with LN) and took the whole team performance off the table.

[madridista]

Alonso seemed to be the catalyst that sent Hulkenberg into Piastri

I recommend taking a look at the onboards if you havent done so yet. Piastri turns into Hülkenberg (who then hits alonso), upon which he hits Norris. Seems to be what most people see.

https://x.com/maketheapex/status/1979603586934866400

[trinidefender]

Alonso seemed to be the catalyst that sent Hulkenberg into Piastri

I recommend taking a look at the onboards if you havent done so yet. Piastri turns into Hülkenberg (who then hits alonso), upon which he hits Norris. Seems to be what most people see.

https://x.com/maketheapex/status/1979603586934866400

Looking at this I went from thinking it was a racing incident with Piastri driving a bit silly to now thinking that it was entirely Piastri's fault. Hulkenburg was alongside at the apex (I believe that gives him racing room when overtaking on the inside). Piastri simply turning into him when in actuality Hulkenburg was entitled to racing room.

As much as a McLaren fan as I am, I simply can't defend Piastri here.

Note. It's also evident that had Piastri not turned in so aggressively, even with the cutback, all would have made it through the corner, the only thing is Piastri wouldn't have overtaken Norris. As far as I can tell Piastri was only thinking about overtaking Norris come hell or high water

[organic]

Piastri was at fault IMO. Not 100% on him ofc but he was the biggest factor

[pantherxxx]

Piastri was 100% at fault. It's laughable when Brown tries to blame Hülkenberg.

[the EDGE]

Piastri was at fault IMO. Not 100% on him ofc but he was the biggest factor

What other factor?

[Farnborough]

I don't know what they are going to do but these kind of incidents must stop. If that keeps happening Max will get a cheap title courtesy of Mclaren giving it to him and we are gonna have all the press saying how he did what even Senna couldn't.

No, no he wouldn't, his competitive application is what will underpin either Lando or Oscar, should they become the driver's champion.

They both have to take it, that's the last key in the driver's overall performance of his career, closing the championship out when they've got themselves to this position. So far, neither have experienced that in F1. It really is last man standing now, unchartered territory to both, at this level. It's choke or win time, no excuses, nobody to speak on their behalf.

If Verstappen gets this one .... he'll deserve it too.

[Ben1980]

As I said in the discord, I’m not a fan of how Lando released the brakes and allowed his car to roll into Oscars corner.

(Had it been anyone else, such as Max, there would have been outrage if he let of the brakes and pushed the car “infront” technically off the track.

Had Lando not rolled off the brakes,the Oscar wouldn’t have attempted a cut back. Realistically, his only choice was to drive off track.

But Lando was able to keep his car on track so, its all good under current rules.

[chrisc90]

Very true. But then comes across forcing another off track. (Which would have been cleared).

Either way, didn’t help the situation

[Darth-Piekus]

No, no he wouldn't, his competitive application is what will underpin either Lando or Oscar, should they become the driver's champion.

They both have to take it, that's the last key in the driver's overall performance of his career, closing the championship out when they've got themselves to this position. So far, neither have experienced that in F1. It really is last man standing now, unchartered territory to both, at this level. It's choke or win time, no excuses, nobody to speak on their behalf.

If Verstappen gets this one .... he'll deserve it too.

It's pretty much clear that for a 4th race in a row the Mclaren doesn't have the advantage (in fact it doesn't have any advantage in any kind of track) it used to have during the mid season and our drivers have lost their minds so far. The team is indeed going too conservative again. They don't risk going last for maximum track evolution, our drivers have too many incidents lately and for some reason they decided to fully abandon any more evolution while Red Bull is taking every risk for that title.

It's obvious that if they continue giving gifts like these not only will they spit on their whole work all year but then they will gift a title they worked so hard for.

[Farnborough]

You need to re-edit that last post .... you've transposed the author to quote me as your words.

[Farnborough]

No, no he wouldn't, his competitive application is what will underpin either Lando or Oscar, should they become the driver's champion.

They both have to take it, that's the last key in the driver's overall performance of his career, closing the championship out when they've got themselves to this position. So far, neither have experienced that in F1. It really is last man standing now, unchartered territory to both, at this level. It's choke or win time, no excuses, nobody to speak on their behalf.

If Verstappen gets this one .... he'll deserve it too.

It's pretty much clear that for a 4th race in a row the Mclaren doesn't have the advantage (in fact it doesn't have any advantage in any kind of track) it used to have during the mid season and our drivers have lost their minds so far. The team is indeed going too conservative again. They don't risk going last for maximum track evolution, our drivers have too many incidents lately and for some reason they decided to fully abandon any more evolution while Red Bull is taking every risk for that title.

It's obvious that if they continue giving gifts like these not only will they spit on their whole work all year but then they will gift a title they worked so hard for.

[FittingMechanics]

As I said in the discord, I’m not a fan of how Lando released the brakes and allowed his car to roll into Oscars corner.

(Had it been anyone else, such as Max, there would have been outrage if he let of the brakes and pushed the car “infront” technically off the track.

Had Lando not rolled off the brakes,the Oscar wouldn’t have attempted a cut back. Realistically, his only choice was to drive off track.

This is a typical defensive move that is done all day long, by all drivers, Max included.

I don't like these overly proscribed rules for overtaking but rolling off the brakes is what they call for.

Oscar was able to easily slot behind Lando as was shown by him being able to do a rapid cutback. If he didn't cut back he could have followed Norris with no incident. Maybe he would have lost a position but thus happens, Norris lost places in such circumstances on multiple occasions.

[selvam_e2002]

Only Oscal and Norris knows what they did. We only speculate from the video. If they do like this forgot about the WDC.... Max will be 5 time WDC.....

[McLarenHonda]

As I said in the discord, I’m not a fan of how Lando released the brakes and allowed his car to roll into Oscars corner.

(Had it been anyone else, such as Max, there would have been outrage if he let of the brakes and pushed the car “infront” technically off the track.

Had Lando not rolled off the brakes,the Oscar wouldn’t have attempted a cut back. Realistically, his only choice was to drive off track.

But Lando was able to keep his car on track so, its all good under current rules.

This is what the current generation of fans don’t understand! It’s not about the regs! It’s about the intentions of a driver…! But the FIA has basically molded the rules around a certain driver since 2016 and turned this into a clown show…


By the way, there’s no way Oscar’s engine will be fine! He hit the ground pretty hard…this crash is going to cost McLaren the race since they got no data on race pace! Such a pity…