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[CjC]

any ideas what this is about?

https://www.fia.com/system/files/decisi ... ficial.pdf

[CjC]

Grid incident? Where there any team members still on the grid?

[CjC]

Grid incident? Where there any team members still on the grid?

No

[venkyhere]

I don't think I'll watch another F1 race ever again if Max pulls this off.

The T-Rex is coming...

On a serious note, no one is talking about the Austria DNF (no fault of Max, no fault of the engg/crew, just bad luck) and the Barcelona blown-fuse anger move that must have cost, what ? 20 points in total ? How crucial is that going to be ? Everyone talks about the DNFs of Mclaren drivers, but this doesn't get mentioned.

[CjC]

I don't think I'll watch another F1 race ever again if Max pulls this off.

The T-Rex is coming...

On a serious note, no one is talking about the Austria DNF (no fault of Max, no fault of the engg/crew, just bad luck) and the Barcelona blown-fuse anger move that must have cost, what ? 20 points in total ? How crucial is that going to be ? Everyone talks about the DNFs of Mclaren drivers, but this doesn't get mentioned.

Max spinning round in Silverstone too.

[AR3-GP]

I don't think I'll watch another F1 race ever again if Max pulls this off.

The T-Rex is coming...

On a serious note, no one is talking about the Austria DNF (no fault of Max, no fault of the engg/crew, just bad luck) and the Barcelona blown-fuse anger move that must have cost, what ? 20 points in total ? How crucial is that going to be ? Everyone talks about the DNFs of Mclaren drivers, but this doesn't get mentioned.

You can't think like this because if Max had been closer earlier in the year (no Miami sprint pit stop fail, finishing in Austria, no Spain, no P3 to P5 in Silverstone, etc etc) then Mclaren wouldn't have stopped developing their car. I think the cars are basically on par right now and Max makes a critical difference which is all that is needed. If Mclaren kept upgrading then they would have continued to have a much quicker car, which would allow their drivers to still win races easily.

What is happening right now is 100% butterfly effect. Mclaren saw the 100+ points gap of Piastri and froze. Without it, they would have had another big update and Max wouldn't have 3 out of the last 4 wins and Piastri could still finish on podium despite being slow.

[PierreW]

I don't think I'll watch another F1 race ever again if Max pulls this off.

The T-Rex is coming...

On a serious note, no one is talking about the Austria DNF (no fault of Max, no fault of the engg/crew, just bad luck) and the Barcelona blown-fuse anger move that must have cost, what ? 20 points in total ? How crucial is that going to be ? Everyone talks about the DNFs of Mclaren drivers, but this doesn't get mentioned.

Max spinning round in Silverstone too.

Set up related under the rain.

What can be regretted is only the Barcelone situation, where the team pushed him to the anger point and made a mistake by asking him to hand the place without any reason. The Kimi torpedo is one of the unfortunate thing that can happen when you start around the 6th place.

[PierreW]

Anyone else get the feeling that the mclaren has been hampered, maybe via some secret directive from the FIA? You can't tell me this is the same car that would put 40 seconds on anyone, whenever it was a bit hotter.

There are two things that can point toward that:

Both RB and Mercedes becoming more competitive compared to Mclaren at the same time. Piastri struggling a lot in the last races.

Two others facts point toward more RB improvement: Tsunoda getting always in the points now when he was last in the championship before. Max getting the upper hand in qualification and having good pace during all the race on 3 tracks in the last 4 when he was struggling in the summer.

Naturally, we can have both.

[f1isgood]

Anyone else get the feeling that the mclaren has been hampered, maybe via some secret directive from the FIA? You can't tell me this is the same car that would put 40 seconds on anyone, whenever it was a bit hotter.

No. Red Bull found more pace.
I mean, you get an upgrade that gives you 3 to 4 tenths a lap in race trim and now your 30s gap is gone over 60 laps. McLaren are still quicker but they are basically in a spot where anything less than perfection will get punished badly.

[f1isgood]

The T-Rex is coming...

On a serious note, no one is talking about the Austria DNF (no fault of Max, no fault of the engg/crew, just bad luck) and the Barcelona blown-fuse anger move that must have cost, what ? 20 points in total ? How crucial is that going to be ? Everyone talks about the DNFs of Mclaren drivers, but this doesn't get mentioned.

Max spinning round in Silverstone too.

Set up related under the rain.

What can be regretted is only the Barcelone situation, where the team pushed him to the anger point and made a mistake by asking him to hand the place without any reason. The Kimi torpedo is one of the unfortunate thing that can happen when you start around the 6th place.

Lol putting team on blame for Mad Max to crash into Russell is insane. Verstappen definitely was an embarrassment that day.

~25 points were lost overall. 15 because of Max errors is how I see it.

[CjC]

Anyone else get the feeling that the mclaren has been hampered, maybe via some secret directive from the FIA? You can't tell me this is the same car that would put 40 seconds on anyone, whenever it was a bit hotter.

Or maybe Red Bull have just done some good engineering and caught up to a static target.

Red Bull themselves have stopped throwing the s**t looooong ago- I suggest to do too.

What do you guys need?
McLaren catch up last season- McLaren are cheating.
Red Bull catches up- McLaren are cheating

[euv2]

Yeah, would be nice if the team could bring a little more performance to push Max over the edge. It would make winning the remaining races much easier.

[AR3-GP]

I think they are bringing something to Mexico.

[Sergej]

Anyone else get the feeling that the mclaren has been hampered, maybe via some secret directive from the FIA? You can't tell me this is the same car that would put 40 seconds on anyone, whenever it was a bit hotter.

usually there are rumours when things like this happen. I think McLaren simply stopped development whereas Red Bull (and Mercedes) kept improving their cars, at the same time Piastri faded away after Monza papaya harakiri, and there you go

anyway, McLaren remains an extremely quick car, even today it was, despite they were running with the wrong ride height; they cannot be underestimated and will probably be the favourite in many of the remaining races.

[PierreW]

Max spinning round in Silverstone too.

Set up related under the rain.

What can be regretted is only the Barcelone situation, where the team pushed him to the anger point and made a mistake by asking him to hand the place without any reason. The Kimi torpedo is one of the unfortunate thing that can happen when you start around the 6th place.

Lol putting team on blame for Mad Max to crash into Russell is insane. Verstappen definitely was an embarrassment that day.

~25 points were lost overall. 15 because of Max errors is how I see it.

It was a Red Bull strategy error and then a Red Bull rules understanding errors that enabled this problem. I can't blame Max there, a lot of people would have been mad, especially when they were just pushed by their opponents.

Max made close to no errors this year. Especially in the beginning of this season when he was pulling miracles with this badly struggling car that made Lawson and Tsunoda look like amateur drivers.