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[AR3-GP]

If you follow Max's car placement exiting T1 on the first lap, it looks like he tried to make sure Leclerc got in front of Norris.

[Watto]

If you follow Max's car placement exiting T1 on the first lap, it looks like he tried to make sure Leclerc got in front of Norris.

Yep I noticed that The exit of T1 held him up just enough to let Charles get far enough up beside him then covered Charles .

[CjC]

He has a point.
It’s a trait that many of the multiple WDCs have:

[organic]

Red Bull technical director Pierre Waché has confirmed to RacingNews365 that further changes are due on the car.

"We will have other stuff coming," said Waché. "Not the next grand prix, maybe a little bit later.

https://racingnews365.com/max-verstappe ... title-push

Wow.. didn't expect that but I think they're right to do this

[f1isgood]

Developing late into the season like 2021. If they pull off this heist... I don't have any words - maybe I should follow suit with AR3 and never watch F1 again

[Vettel165]

We know for sure what would happen if Max wins in Mexico and Brasil. Also it could rain in Interlagos. Both of the tracks he very much like the gap would go down to around 10 points with Lando and probably around 20-25 to Piastri with 3 races remaining. Imagine the pressure for Mclaren drivers in this scenario, also Red Bull still needs to find some more race pace for this next races. It will still need a miracle, but like I said the probability went from about 5% before this race to 10% I would say.

Also if Mclaren drivers have 1 more DNF and Max wins that race it could mean Verstappen passing them even before the last race in the points. But that optimism is too much to expect. On other hand one win by Mclaren from Piastri or Norris with Max around p5 and the chance is gone for him. Will see. Its already a great thing we can fight for wins again after the middle of the season, everything else is a bonus. In reality Mclaren drivers should have this title in the bag with 3-4 races to go. And yet we are still talking about it, thats of course quite suprising. After Budapest it was a mission impossible, but even now nearly everything has to go according to plan in the next races.

[Aesop]

I reckon you are right, it still is improbable, but it makes the last races so much more enjoyable.
If i had to bet, i'd say Piastri 45%, Norris 40% and Max 15%

[Badger]

I reckon you are right, it still is improbable, but it makes the last races so much more enjoyable.
If i had to bet, i'd say Piastri 45%, Norris 40% and Max 15%

I think 15% is fair for Max. Before this weekend it would have been below 5%. However, for me Lando is now the favourite. He’s in form relative to Piastri, and quite close now. I’d say Lando 50%, Piastri 35%, Max 15%.

The bookies are smoking something btw, some of them have Max as a slight favourite now. Not a bad time to place a bet on Lando I’d say.

[spookyisland]

Red Bull technical director Pierre Waché has confirmed to RacingNews365 that further changes are due on the car.

"We will have other stuff coming," said Waché. "Not the next grand prix, maybe a little bit later.

https://racingnews365.com/max-verstappe ... title-push

And he said that before COTA, so the update could come in Mexico? As I have no experience in this whatsoever: what is the time delay for developing updates and integrating them? I guess that depends on many things, especially on the type of upgrade. But would it be possible that they had this update in mind before their turnaround with the new floor? Or do you think they waited for the results with the new floor and then went on to plan updates from there on? (Those are probably stupid questions, but I am new to the technical aspects of F1 and have no idea - sorry in advance.)

Another aspect: I checked the results of the races of COTA and onwards for 2024 and McLaren didn't sweep the last leg of the calendar, which was probably in part due to Ferrari and Mercedes being strong. But could it also indicate that the car wasn't that well-suited to this tracks compared to tracks before? And would having to drive the car more on the limit have resulted in problems, e.g. the drop in performance for Oscar (as in: drive on the limit for a longer time > more degredation of the tires > lesser advantage of the characteristics of the McLaren)?

[basti313]

I reckon you are right, it still is improbable, but it makes the last races so much more enjoyable.
If i had to bet, i'd say Piastri 45%, Norris 40% and Max 15%

I think 15% is fair for Max. Before this weekend it would have been below 5%. However, for me Lando is now the favourite. He’s in form relative to Piastri, and quite close now. I’d say Lando 50%, Piastri 35%, Max 15%.

The bookies are smoking something btw, some of them have Max as a slight favourite now. Not a bad time to place a bet on Lando I’d say.

I think this is all overrated:
- Yes, I like to joke about Pia doing a Webber. But his weakness was very wind specific. The car was not as planted as usual giving them a bigger driving task than usual...thus he fell back. On a non-windy day and everything else now in not known for much wind, he will be on par again. Still, he will most likely do a P3 or worse when Lando wins and this will be costly.
- Without the tango with Max, Lando would have easily won Mexico and without the rain also Brazil last year. The cars this year behave track specific as last year. My bet is with one win in either of these races, maybe a 1-2, McLaren will just close the case.

I think the next two races need a very exceptional outcome, otherwise this is all just wet dreams about Max having a chance.

[Farnborough]

I reckon you are right, it still is improbable, but it makes the last races so much more enjoyable.
If i had to bet, i'd say Piastri 45%, Norris 40% and Max 15%

I think 15% is fair for Max. Before this weekend it would have been below 5%. However, for me Lando is now the favourite. He’s in form relative to Piastri, and quite close now. I’d say Lando 50%, Piastri 35%, Max 15%.

The bookies are smoking something btw, some of them have Max as a slight favourite now. Not a bad time to place a bet on Lando I’d say.

I think this is all overrated:
- Yes, I like to joke about Pia doing a Webber. But his weakness was very wind specific. The car was not as planted as usual giving them a bigger driving task than usual...thus he fell back. On a non-windy day and everything else now in not known for much wind, he will be on par again. Still, he will most likely do a P3 or worse when Lando wins and this will be costly.
- Without the tango with Max, Lando would have easily won Mexico and without the rain also Brazil last year. The cars this year behave track specific as last year. My bet is with one win in either of these races, maybe a 1-2, McLaren will just close the case.

I think the next two races need a very exceptional outcome, otherwise this is all just wet dreams about Max having a chance.

In odds terms, a win for Max is not an exceptional outcome .... but it would take Lando down to just 19 points advantage if he finished second.

The general view from Monza result, into each successive race was to ask if that was an outlier we've just seen ? It's now stacked another high score on top of that pile.

No illusion here, but currently its definitely been running significantly toward Max, another and they'll really be having to think hard over at McL.

[tinuva]

I have learned a long time ago, to never bet against Max. Is the % high? Perhaps not, but its definitely not as low as some make it out currently.

Max is consistent. If something happens, it will be something outside of his control that cause him to drop out of contention for the WDC.

[Badger]

I reckon you are right, it still is improbable, but it makes the last races so much more enjoyable.
If i had to bet, i'd say Piastri 45%, Norris 40% and Max 15%

I think 15% is fair for Max. Before this weekend it would have been below 5%. However, for me Lando is now the favourite. He’s in form relative to Piastri, and quite close now. I’d say Lando 50%, Piastri 35%, Max 15%.

The bookies are smoking something btw, some of them have Max as a slight favourite now. Not a bad time to place a bet on Lando I’d say.

I think this is all overrated:
- Yes, I like to joke about Pia doing a Webber. But his weakness was very wind specific. The car was not as planted as usual giving them a bigger driving task than usual...thus he fell back. On a non-windy day and everything else now in not known for much wind, he will be on par again. Still, he will most likely do a P3 or worse when Lando wins and this will be costly.
- Without the tango with Max, Lando would have easily won Mexico and without the rain also Brazil last year. The cars this year behave track specific as last year. My bet is with one win in either of these races, maybe a 1-2, McLaren will just close the case.

I think the next two races need a very exceptional outcome, otherwise this is all just wet dreams about Max having a chance.

If I genuinely believed RB had the fastest car for the remaining races I’d have it higher than that. 15% for me represents the chance that Verstappen wins where he is fast and that McLaren underperforms where they are fast. Basically that the form from the last 4 races continues.

[Sergej]

Max needs to win at least 4 of the last 5 races, it's not an impossible task, but of course it'll be tough. I would go with a 15% chance as well. There will be tracks where McLaren will be very fast and if they qualify ahead it's game over; the good news though is that Lando keeps bottling quali laps, whereas Max has a good quali Red Bull in his hands, qualifying ahead can make the difference in these last races.

Personally, I am not yet at the point where I believe in the title, so I'm mentally relaxed, just enjoying races and Max destroying papaya boys' nerves

[organic]

What sort of upgrade can they even bring with such small lead time? When they brought the current front wing they talked about how they pushed up to the limit to even get that one done, and said there wouldn't be further upgrades.

Maybe something small like a brake duct? They have been iterating rapidly on the front wing so maybe another one of those