2025 McLaren F1 Team

[Darth-Piekus]

Pity in my opinion that the team doesnt consider another upgrade to help our drivers.

Too late. They're 100% focused on next year's car.

I personally think Red Bull know that their PU will be lacking and so are throwing everything at this season, knowing that they won't be in the fight next year.

McLaren can't afford to take that gamble.

Besides, there's no time now even if they did decide to divert some focus back to this season.

I cant say I agree not to have something in reserve in case of a situation like this. Why risk a potential loss of a title and not help your drivers secure it? Unless they still believe that the car can win again and these 4 races were just a temporary setback.

[organic]

Pity in my opinion that the team doesnt consider another upgrade to help our drivers.

Too late. They're 100% focused on next year's car.

I personally think Red Bull know that their PU will be lacking and so are throwing everything at this season, knowing that they won't be in the fight next year.

McLaren can't afford to take that gamble.

Besides, there's no time now even if they did decide to divert some focus back to this season.

I cant say I agree not to have something in reserve in case of a situation like this. Why risk a potential loss of a title and not help your drivers secure it? Unless they still believe that the car can win again and these 4 races were just a temporary setback.

CFD/tunnel time is at a premium. You don't spend that willy nilly just to have a possible development in reserve. The entire premise is void

[Watto]

Pity in my opinion that the team doesnt consider another upgrade to help our drivers.

Too late. They're 100% focused on next year's car.

I personally think Red Bull know that their PU will be lacking and so are throwing everything at this season, knowing that they won't be in the fight next year.

McLaren can't afford to take that gamble.

Besides, there's no time now even if they did decide to divert some focus back to this season.

I cant say I agree not to have something in reserve in case of a situation like this. Why risk a potential loss of a title and not help your drivers secure it? Unless they still believe that the car can win again and these 4 races were just a temporary setback.

The lead times to design, test,, verify and build the parts are too large its' probably at least 4-6 weeks really to get through that process. At a stretch they could have parts ready for Qatarn more than likely the season finale in Abu Dabi.

The only way I see they could do something was if they had some parts that had been designed maybe through the early design proces/test process and they let go. Even then it's probably a stretch.

[AR3-GP]

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[euv2]

Can someone please post a bit of the onboard of Lando (or even just a screenshot) at T12 on lap 32? According to some second hand information, he has gone off the track. The problem is Lando had already received track limit infringements on L14, L15, and L19. So this L32 infringement should have resulted in a 5 second time penalty. I can see a significant deviation in the telemetry at T12 on lap 32 which suggest that something happened. This was also the lap that Mclaren pitted Lando.

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He did not go off track on lap 32, he locked up the fronts and ran slightly deep but was well within track limits and pitted and end of that lap.

[Balalu]

The "What???" by Lec in the end is hilarous

None of the other two in that room had as much pressure as Lando, firstly to fight without crashing, the consequences would be much greater for him.

[SilviuAgo]

Can someone please post a bit of the onboard of Lando (or even just a screenshot) at T12 on lap 32? According to some second hand information, he has gone off the track. The problem is Lando had already received track limit infringements on L14, L15, and L19. So this L32 infringement should have resulted in a 5 second time penalty. I can see a significant deviation in the telemetry at T12 on lap 32 which suggest that something happened. This was also the lap that Mclaren pitted Lando.

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He did not go off track on lap 32, he locked up the fronts and ran slightly deep but was well within track limits and pitted and end of that lap.

Exactly. I saw the race from general feed and also from Lando's car and was the time when from 9.7 the gap increased to 10.5 and knew something happened and was his lock up on T12 and after that Lando just said "Box" and the team received it. So no track limits on that corner, he was more than half of the car within circuit limits.
PS: so yes, we can confirm the info you received is "second hand" and not to be trusted. If was the case for sure he had his penalty, Let's move on to Mexico now.

[Farnborough]

I felt LN did a good race, especially with the lead up compromised as it was. I had him in for a safe 2nd as palletable end accomplishment for this weekend.

OP I had for a safe forth (thinking the Ferrari would fade more & and GR perform better) and so slightly under ideal target.

It was, from crash point onwards, a salvage, stabilise and reset outlook in all reality.

No doubt it'll generate some serious headwork within all the team in approach to Mexico now. Often that conflict can bring productive thoughts and discussion that may have been dismissed or avoided previously. Its what the team do with this situation now that can seriously alter trajectory.

[venkyhere]

OP I had for a safe forth (thinking the Ferrari would fade more & and GR perform better) and so slightly under ideal target.

OP wasn't able to go past a LiCo-ing Ferrari. Didn't expect that in 2025 at all. The slump in form is not just a slump, it's like falling off a cliff.

The only silver lining for OP this entire weekend, was that he started from P6, made a place at the start, and kept GR behind (which I think is more so because Mercedes had no pace with full tank fuel and riding higher than they did in the sprint).

[FittingMechanics]

Exactly. I saw the race from general feed and also from Lando's car and was the time when from 9.7 the gap increased to 10.5 and knew something happened and was his lock up on T12 and after that Lando just said "Box" and the team received it. So no track limits on that corner, he was more than half of the car within circuit limits.
PS: so yes, we can confirm the info you received is "second hand" and not to be trusted. If was the case for sure he had his penalty, Let's move on to Mexico now.

Lando locking up and calling for box was shown as a replay on F1TV general feed. Not sure how the poster missed it.

[SilviuAgo]

Exactly. I saw the race from general feed and also from Lando's car and was the time when from 9.7 the gap increased to 10.5 and knew something happened and was his lock up on T12 and after that Lando just said "Box" and the team received it. So no track limits on that corner, he was more than half of the car within circuit limits.
PS: so yes, we can confirm the info you received is "second hand" and not to be trusted. If was the case for sure he had his penalty, Let's move on to Mexico now.

Lando locking up and calling for box was shown as a replay on F1TV general feed. Not sure how the poster missed it.

Yup, just review now the "RACE in 30' " on F1tv and saw the lock up also on general feed, as DC saying "maybe he had a lock up and this was the reason for asking to box".
Also to mention that the T14 strike was when Leclerc took him wide on the corner after T12 trying to pass. So as Russell said, to have a strike for hard racing and to avoid a collision, or in this case for a lock up when you already losing time, is crazy.

[AR3-GP]

Also to mention that the T14 strike was when Leclerc took him wide on the corner after T12 trying to pass. So as Russell said, to have a strike for hard racing and to avoid a collision, or in this case for a lock up when you already losing time, is crazy.

Leclerc didn't take him wide. Remember the racing rules. Lando Norris has to be far enough alongside to be entitled to room. Leclerc was not punished for "taking him wide" because there was nothing to punish (unlike the sprint...). Lando Norris should have backed out to avoid overrunning the circuit. He didn't because he wanted to try and get the inside line to T15/T16 by using the out of bounds. It was another case of Lando Norris driving himself off the circuit (like Spain 2024 after pitstop, Monza 2025 race start)

[mwillems]

OP I had for a safe forth (thinking the Ferrari would fade more & and GR perform better) and so slightly under ideal target.

OP wasn't able to go past a LiCo-ing Ferrari. Didn't expect that in 2025 at all. The slump in form is not just a slump, it's like falling off a cliff.

The only silver lining for OP this entire weekend, was that he started from P6, made a place at the start, and kept GR behind (which I think is more so because Mercedes had no pace with full tank fuel and riding higher than they did in the sprint).

This race last year was the point at which Oscar took a 4 race dive in results, same the year before. I'd say I thought he would be past it, but I'd also say I had an eye on how this season will end with that in mind. It could be pressure but to be honest, I think he just can't get to grips with these tracks.

I suspect Mexico is going to be another struggle for the Mclaren due to the altitude making it just like a low downforce track. Brazil which will likely favour us more as will the final 2 races.

If the car and drivers can't do better at a track like Brazil then the title will likely go to Max.

[venkyhere]

OP I had for a safe forth (thinking the Ferrari would fade more & and GR perform better) and so slightly under ideal target.

OP wasn't able to go past a LiCo-ing Ferrari. Didn't expect that in 2025 at all. The slump in form is not just a slump, it's like falling off a cliff.

The only silver lining for OP this entire weekend, was that he started from P6, made a place at the start, and kept GR behind (which I think is more so because Mercedes had no pace with full tank fuel and riding higher than they did in the sprint).

This race last year was the point at which Oscar took a 4 race dive in results. I'd say I thought he would be past it, but I'd also say I had an eye on how this season will end with that in mind.

I suspect Mexico is going to be another struggle for the Mclaren due to the altitude making it just like a low downforce track. Brazil which will likely favour us more as will the final 2 races.

If the car and drivers can't do better at a track like Brazil then the title will likely go to Max.

If the Mclaren drivers cannot win in a dry Brazil with almost the entire track filled with long radius corners, then they don't deserve a WDC, frankly. If the track is dry, there is no way the Mclaren isn't winning, unless the drivers screw up.

[AR3-GP]

I think Lando will finish in front of Oscar in the championship. Oscar's recent form is very concerning. Further to the point, Lando Norris never ever finishes miles behind Oscar Piastri on pace like we saw in COTA. So Lando is always there fighting to be the lead Mclaren. Oscar doesn't have any room to breathe. In the remaining circuits, I'm certain Lando will never be off the pace but I can't offer any certainty the other way around. Piastri might still have another slow weekend(s).