2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Badger]

Hamilton is now record holder for the longest time as a Ferrari driver without a podium

I've always said that performing at Ferrari is a completely different sport. Many drivers that are now hyped would struggle massively in this team.

Meh, that premise is bunk when it comes to podiums and wins. It only applies to championships. I would actually argue that almost all of their recent drivers have come up to speed quite quickly.

Massa, Kimi, Fernando, Seb, Leclerc, Sainz. All of these guys were scoring wins and/or podiums immediately. Massa won twice in 06, Kimi won his first race and became WDC in 07, Fernando won his first race, Seb won his second race, Charles would’ve won his second race in Bahrain (still won in Spa and Monza and beat Seb), Sainz scored 4 podiums and beat Charles in 21. Hardly gives the impression that it’s hard to get up to speed at Ferrari. Quite the opposite actually, there’s almost a rookie’s boost.

Hamilton is an outlier here in that he hasn’t got one podium yet, and the car is clearly capable of that much judging by Charles having 6.

[DGP123]

Hamilton is an outlier here in that he hasn’t got one podium yet, and the car is clearly capable of that much judging by Charles having 6.

Stats are just stats. Funny thing is, he should have bagged a podium on debut in Australia, it was gifted on a plate, but Ferrari strategy blew it. Hamilton won the sprint in China, and Hamilton has come fourth on four occasions with some pretty good drives. Leclerc has been superb, as should be expected, but he has also inherited a podium this season, like in Spain, to pad out his stats. It’s all fine margins.

[Badger]

Hamilton is an outlier here in that he hasn’t got one podium yet, and the car is clearly capable of that much judging by Charles having 6.

Stats are just stats. Funny thing is, he should have bagged a podium on debut in Australia, it was gifted on a plate, but Ferrari strategy blew it. Hamilton won the sprint in China, and Hamilton has come fourth on four occasions with some pretty good drives. Leclerc has been superb, as should be expected, but he has also inherited a podium this season, like in Spain, to pad out his stats. It’s all fine margins.

I could buy that if Charles had 1 or 2 and Lewis had 0, and they were tight on points. But when one has 6 podiums and the other has 0, that’s the stats telling you a story.

[Farnborough]

Of far more relevance in the team, driver and chassis performance .... over a race distance currently .... is the reason for Lico at what appears to be such highly demanded levels.

They are absolutely crippled by this currently. There's apparently no race so far in which it hasn't ultimately and severely compromised their last third of the event. Maybe Monaco as exception, though not being a fuel limited track could be important there.

We really don't have a clue of the ultimate driver potential under this overlay in operative car. There's no true picture to be observed.

[DJ Downforce]

Of far more relevance in the team, driver and chassis performance .... over a race distance currently .... is the reason for Lico at what appears to be such highly demanded levels.

They are absolutely crippled by this currently. There's apparently no race so far in which it hasn't ultimately and severely compromised their last third of the event. Maybe Monaco as exception, though not being a fuel limited track could be important there.

We really don't have a clue of the ultimate driver potential under this overlay in operative car. There's no true picture to be observed.

I agree, today LiCo crippled Ham whilst a lot of other days it has crippled Lec. Let's wait til next year when there's hopefully a more balanced and normal car to have fan wars.

[Farnborough]

Cota Lico'ed CL too .... just trying as hard as possible while delaying more extreme Lico tipping point as LN approaching for second time, inevitable that he had to cut it at some point, then really bleed it in after second place was lost.

LC driving style, especially that lead in to the corner entry phase would appear to just give him a little more Lico free range than would LH who's latent style would seem to give earlier limits in that respect.

Taking out plank wear strategy for a moment, Lico APPEARS to be driven ultimately by PU overall efficiency (in this Ferrari unit) moreso than other manufacturers.
Ultimate power, when used fully, is a definite match with impressive low to mid response and torque delivery. Clearly they are able to deploy within upper fuel flow limits there, but lacking in long range absolute fuelling efficiency to avoid that end of race pull back so severely.

LH race projection gave that Lico from lap 20 was needed (from report at race) which is quite a dia situation, and certainly won't show much in the way of driver potential to freely observe.

[r85]

Of far more relevance in the team, driver and chassis performance .... over a race distance currently .... is the reason for Lico at what appears to be such highly demanded levels.

They are absolutely crippled by this currently. There's apparently no race so far in which it hasn't ultimately and severely compromised their last third of the event. Maybe Monaco as exception, though not being a fuel limited track could be important there.

We really don't have a clue of the ultimate driver potential under this overlay in operative car. There's no true picture to be observed.

I agree, today LiCo crippled Ham whilst a lot of other days it has crippled Lec. Let's wait til next year when there's hopefully a more balanced and normal car to have fan wars.

It doesn't show in the stats, but Hamilton has adapted quite well in the car and it has shown since the summer break. His age definitely isn't helping him work around problems like Leclerc, but I can see them being equal next year if they both like the car.

[DJ Downforce]

Of far more relevance in the team, driver and chassis performance .... over a race distance currently .... is the reason for Lico at what appears to be such highly demanded levels.

They are absolutely crippled by this currently. There's apparently no race so far in which it hasn't ultimately and severely compromised their last third of the event. Maybe Monaco as exception, though not being a fuel limited track could be important there.

We really don't have a clue of the ultimate driver potential under this overlay in operative car. There's no true picture to be observed.

I agree, today LiCo crippled Ham whilst a lot of other days it has crippled Lec. Let's wait til next year when there's hopefully a more balanced and normal car to have fan wars.

It doesn't show in the stats, but Hamilton has adapted quite well in the car and it has shown since the summer break. His age definitely isn't helping him work around problems like Leclerc, but I can see them being equal next year if they both like the car.

I agree, pace doesn't seem to be a problem. Execution is in q3 but that's more of an age thing I think and has been showing itself since mid 2023.

The race pace is getting there, it's not good on high fuel but improves as the fuel burns - the strategy this week didn't really let him show it but he was maintaining the gap in front and pulling away from Piastri..

[ScuderiaLeo]

Fuoco will be taking Hamilton's car for Mexico FP1

It's pretty funny that Fuoco, an accomplished driver in his own right, is considered a rookie But that just means better data compared to teams running real rookies so I'm not complaining

[r85]

I agree, today LiCo crippled Ham whilst a lot of other days it has crippled Lec. Let's wait til next year when there's hopefully a more balanced and normal car to have fan wars.

It doesn't show in the stats, but Hamilton has adapted quite well in the car and it has shown since the summer break. His age definitely isn't helping him work around problems like Leclerc, but I can see them being equal next year if they both like the car.

I agree, pace doesn't seem to be a problem. Execution is in q3 but that's more of an age thing I think and has been showing itself since mid 2023.

The race pace is getting there, it's not good on high fuel but improves as the fuel burns - the strategy this week didn't really let him show it but he was maintaining the gap in front and pulling away from Piastri..

Honestly I think that final Q3 lap comes down to the fact that Lewis is a violent braker and the GE cars can't cope with it . I noticed it in his Q3 lap comparisons to others drivers like Silverstone 2024. He gains loads under braking but loses out mid-corner which also messes his exit. His race pace is less affected because the cars aren't pushed out of their limits. That's just what I believe though, if it remains next year then I'll be the first to write him off.