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today's longrun was certainly faster, but hard to say how much of that came due to track evolution. I'd think this is still not good enough



(RUS added for comparison, as he was best on mediums yesterday)

[venkyhere]

Missed FP3. Had a look at the timing sheet. Can't be engine mode alone. Or more fuel alone. Most likely it's the tyre temp game -> Redbull (esp with new floor) going back to being a diva with track temps whilst Mclaren being masters of maintaining their tyre temps nailed, no matter what the track temp is (removing or keeping heat as necessary). If the track cools down for the Q, then there is hope, otherwise no, I think.
Query for anyone who watched the onboards/outboards i the session :
- was there 4 wheel sliding ?
- was there huge steering corrections for under/oversteer ?
if the answer is NO to both, that means balance is fine, it's only a case of not being able to keep tyre temps in the right window for such hot track temps (how much was it ? 45 ? 50 ? )

[AR3-GP]

today's longrun was certainly faster, but hard to say how much of that came due to track evolution. I'd think this is still not good enough

https://i.imgur.com/SE3Ui8A.png

(RUS added for comparison, as he was best on mediums yesterday)

Track temp was 47-48 today. It was a little bit cooler yesterday. Imo that's why the soft tire runs are now bad. This car has always been on the edge of tire overheating.

[Badger]

Max went to a higher downforce wing, Monaco spec, that explains the lack of top speed. Long run looked better. Short run seems like they aren’t getting the tyres in the window. It shouldn’t be possible here to improve thrice on the C5. Also struggling badly in T2-3 on the kerbs.

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today's longrun was certainly faster, but hard to say how much of that came due to track evolution. I'd think this is still not good enough

https://i.imgur.com/SE3Ui8A.png

(RUS added for comparison, as he was best on mediums yesterday)

Track temp was 47-48 today. It was a little bit cooler yesterday. Imo that's why the soft tire runs are now bad. This car has always been on the edge of tire overheating.

35°C at the end of FP2, yeah. Quite a significant difference.

[AR3-GP]

Max went to a higher downforce wing, Monaco spec, that explains the lack of top speed.

yikes...

[euv2]

Now please look for how many laps did Norris and Verstappen have fuel. I dont have the data.

The timing says Lando did 8 laps and Max did 11 but then we don't know if teams fuel exactly for these stints or they over fuel. We can just say Norris had at least 8 laps of fuel.

Thank you. One member from f1 autosport forum managed to observe Max while being onboard with him.

"Just re-watched the run on board on F1TV, so he goes out, does an out lap, fast lap, 2 slow laps, quick lap, and after is told to do 2 more slow laps (as the session winds down to get to the practice start). He says no grip but on both runs the car is pretty nailed and he loses a ton of time in S1, even to Tsunoda". "Lower engine mode/ higher fuel"

Max was running higher fuel no doubt, he did 3 push laps with double cools and then stayed out for prac starts, Lando did 1 push, 2 cool, 1 push (aborted in s3 and into the pits) where he prob got refuelled for the practice start.

MCL likes to do an actual qualy run in Q3, it's the reason why they sometimes don't improve as much qualy.

Redbull still has some time to find, but it's closer to 0.150s than 0.3-0.4s. Max was able to ride the curbs just fine yesterday, just need to get it right.

[AR3-GP]

The timing says Lando did 8 laps and Max did 11 but then we don't know if teams fuel exactly for these stints or they over fuel. We can just say Norris had at least 8 laps of fuel.

Thank you. One member from f1 autosport forum managed to observe Max while being onboard with him.

"Just re-watched the run on board on F1TV, so he goes out, does an out lap, fast lap, 2 slow laps, quick lap, and after is told to do 2 more slow laps (as the session winds down to get to the practice start). He says no grip but on both runs the car is pretty nailed and he loses a ton of time in S1, even to Tsunoda". "Lower engine mode/ higher fuel"

Max was running higher fuel no doubt, he did 3 push laps with double cools and then stayed out for prac starts, Lando did 1 push, 2 cool, 1 push (aborted in s3 and into the pits) where he prob got refuelled for the practice start.

MCL likes to do an actual qualy run in Q3, it's the reason why they sometimes don't improve as much qualy.

Redbull still has some time to find, but it's closer to 0.150s than 0.3-0.4s. Max was able to ride the curbs just fine yesterday, just need to get it right.

Regardless of fuel, the most important thing is the feeling. I really think if he's saying it has no grip, then it's not going to be a good day. This sounds like hungary to be frank...with the sudden ice driving. The good doctor promised this wouldn't happen again...

[Emag]

Yes the top speeds are too low into T1, into T4, and into T12.

Seems like for the delta there's only 86% confidence.

I can tell there's a significant offset on the telemetry data. Just checked to confirm and GPTempo has the same problem although more pronounced. I have worked with these stuff for so long, I can just tell by eye when something is off.

In any case, even if you can't tell visually that there's some data quality problem from the telemetry, then just from what makes most sense, I doubt Lando can gain that much on the braking of T1. So basically, either Lando's or Max's trace for those laps has some sampling issues (i.e corrupt data). But it only seems to be a problem for the first sector, the rest seems reasonable enough.

For the first bit, I think about 1 tenth more should be lost during the straight itself and less during the next 3 corners.

For that I don't even consider the delta. I just look at the speed traces. Unless somehow that data is also wrong, it's strange how Verstappen is now 4km/h down on the front straight and missing a bit of top end on the others. It is probably cooling and engine modes, but strange nonetheless.

In that case, no, I don't think the data is wrong. Could be mainly engine modes I would presume. RedBull always runs extra conservative in FP sessions. Top end isn't a big difference though. 348 (the last reliable reading for Lando) vs 346 for Max. That first bit is slightly missaligned though, maybe if you shift Max's trace by 5 meters on the x Axis for the first sector only, the delta would be a little less volatile for those first couple of corners. As I mentioned previously though, beyond that I don't see an issue (with the data at least)

[Badger]

Max went to a higher downforce wing, Monaco spec, that explains the lack of top speed.

yikes...

Why? It’s a smart choice for race pace. He’s not losing much time on the straights in quali trim. S1 is literally all T2-3.

[Vettel165]

I expect a Norris pole, but would take P2 or P3 every day of the week by Max (Q3)...

[AR3-GP]

Max went to a higher downforce wing, Monaco spec, that explains the lack of top speed.

yikes...

Why? It’s a smart choice for race pace. He’s not losing much time on the straights in quali trim. S1 is literally all T2-3.

If he's stuck behind anybody in the race, it won't be good.

[Badger]

yikes...

Why? It’s a smart choice for race pace. He’s not losing much time on the straights in quali trim. S1 is literally all T2-3.

If he's stuck behind anybody in the race, it won't be good.

Disagree. You need to be close in the corners to pass. DRS and slip stream takes care of the rest. Low wing is good for defending a position, but so is being fast in the corners.

[ispano6]

Someone should tell Yuki to dive to the inside crossing the finish line. It can shave a bit of time but he never seems to take that line.

[Dee]

Are the corners here different from the previous rounds? I say this as RB seemed to be faster than Mclaren in the slower corners with the upgraded floor.

Is the upgrade not working? If Yuki ends up close to Max in qualifying, shd RB stick to the previous iteration from Monza?

Or is it just purely tyre sensitivity..