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[venkyhere]

I think a podium here considering how the weekend went is absurd. Wdc is on but not really in Max's hands

I think Max got help from above,he should have been penalized for cutting corner on the first lap that was a clear fia want to make thing exciting and its good for business. Max should have been penalized for overtake he made on lando in monza he left him no room.he tend to get away with too many transgressions. hass pitted when they didn't have to Ayao komatsu a former Honda employee who knows what he was thinking when he pitted Berman who was on podium position.

Verstappen has transgressed the 'rules' many times in the past, and he has been rightly punished each time. He gained 1 position after the lap1 turn1 runoff (to Hamilton) and he gave it back immediately.
Either you read the rules (which keep changing and which are decided between FIA/Race-control and drivers in pre-race meetings, and widely agreed upon and then published by FIA) or you keep quiet. Listening is better than talking, when one has no idea what is the point being discussed. Please don't treat F1technical like a facebook wall or twitter status where you get to 'vent off' your hatred for a particular driver. It's a humble request. And no, 'ive been watching F1 for 20 years' excuse won't cut any ice here because number of years watching someting doesn't make the observer 'correct'. This is not the military, to 'pull rank'.

[AR3-GP]

It sometimes happens that I come across opinions that tend to discredit the value of a Formula 1 driver. Of the added value they can bring to a team, of their ability to make a difference. How many drivers in the world would be capable of doing this?

-Robert Chinchero

This is why GP said the stint was insane, because it really was. Not even Lando Norris in his rocketship had managed to drive so consistently while battling with free air. It reminded me of the final stint here in 2022.

[Valeo]

Amazing how much better it got once they put the softs on. Don´t understand why they didn´t feel the need to put at least one car on softs on friday. Might have changed a few things. Hardly any deg after a 30 lap stint (the car was lighter by then, sure)

[AR3-GP]

Amazing how much better it got once they put the softs on. Don´t understand why they didn´t feel the need to put at least one car on softs on friday. Might have changed a few things. Hardly any deg after a 30 lap stint (the car was lighter by then, sure)

They needed to run 2 tires in the race. Would it have changed anything?

[pantherxxx]

Verstappen's race pace was excellent cosidering the circumstances. He could have been somewhat close to Norris if not killing the first set of tires on the grass. I think they did setup the car for race pace.

[organic]

Amazing how much better it got once they put the softs on. Don´t understand why they didn´t feel the need to put at least one car on softs on friday. Might have changed a few things. Hardly any deg after a 30 lap stint (the car was lighter by then, sure)

They needed to run 2 tires in the race. Would it have changed anything?

Well they were clearly in a good place in quali trim on Friday but the medium long run made them think that they were nowhere. With greater knowledge of how bad the medium was / how much of the race would be run on softs (due to their relative strength) they might've approached setup changes for Saturday differently

But this is all said with hindsight

[AR3-GP]

Amazing how much better it got once they put the softs on. Don´t understand why they didn´t feel the need to put at least one car on softs on friday. Might have changed a few things. Hardly any deg after a 30 lap stint (the car was lighter by then, sure)

They needed to run 2 tires in the race. Would it have changed anything?

Well they were clearly in a good place in race trim on Friday but the medium long run made them think that they were nowhere. With greater knowledge of how bad the medium was / how much of the race would be run on softs (due to their relative strength) they might've approached setup changes for Saturday differently

But this is all said with hindsight

This is true. They wouldn't have wasted FP3 on the monaco rear wing and would have saved a new set of softs like Leclerc and Norris did instead of the 6 lap old one that he raced with. but could, would,should...Can't do anything about it now.

[search]

This is true. They wouldn't have wasted FP3 on the monaco rear wing and would have saved a new set of softs like Leclerc and Norris did instead of the 6 lap old one that he raced with. but could, would,should...Can't do anything about it now.

where's that 6-lap info from? I can't access it on the official live timing anymore, unfortunately, but according to FastF1 it was a three-lap old set.



He had a couple of those left from Qualifying, so it would also make more sense.

[AR3-GP]

This is true. They wouldn't have wasted FP3 on the monaco rear wing and would have saved a new set of softs like Leclerc and Norris did instead of the 6 lap old one that he raced with. but could, would,should...Can't do anything about it now.

where's that 6-lap info from? I can't access it on the official live timing anymore, unfortunately, but according to FastF1 it was a three-lap old set.

https://i.imgur.com/ksFapPw.png

He had a couple of those left from Qualifying, so it would also make more sense.

Sorry, I miscounted (live) from f1-dash which shows the tire age but not the stint length. It looks like 3 laps old since last stint was 34 laps, but tire age shows 37. They always say a new tire is worth a few seconds which is why Leclerc and Norris saved them for the race.

[search]

This is true. They wouldn't have wasted FP3 on the monaco rear wing and would have saved a new set of softs like Leclerc and Norris did instead of the 6 lap old one that he raced with. but could, would,should...Can't do anything about it now.

where's that 6-lap info from? I can't access it on the official live timing anymore, unfortunately, but according to FastF1 it was a three-lap old set.

https://i.imgur.com/ksFapPw.png

He had a couple of those left from Qualifying, so it would also make more sense.

Sorry, I miscounted (live) from f1-dash which shows the tire age but not the stint length. It looks like 3 laps old since last stint was 34 laps, but tire age shows 37. They always say a new tire is worth a few seconds which is why Leclerc and Norris saved them for the race.

no worries, I was just wondering if it was brought up in an interview or so. A new set would have been better for sure, no matter what

[venkyhere]

It sometimes happens that I come across opinions that tend to discredit the value of a Formula 1 driver. Of the added value they can bring to a team, of their ability to make a difference. How many drivers in the world would be capable of doing this?

-Robert Chinchero

This is why GP said the stint was insane, because it really was. Not even Lando Norris in his rocketship had managed to drive so consistently while battling with free air. It reminded me of the final stint here in 2022.

https://i.postimg.cc/hGWY77tZ/image.png

The 1:21:xxx stint is great, not because of 'never seen before consistency' - all drivers are capable of driving to a target time, within a 0.2-0.3 window (and here the window is bigger, actually, even before he started getting the dirty air from LeClerc after lap65 or so) ; it is great, or 'insane' (borrowing the words of GP) because :

a) the car was fundamentally 'unbalanced' and it was like running with a minor feet injury
b) they were 'used' (warm, push, cool) tyres from Q and the stint lasted for like 32-33 laps on a super hot track, that was around 50C, not something that non-McLaren cars like, because none of them have figured out the 'feedback loop' based tyre temp maintenance that McLaren have, without anything illegal. .
c) I am sure he was doing LiCo for fuel (no safety car) and tyres/engine-cooling

Hence, the 'data' as it is, doesn't really reveal anything 'wow' about itself from a statistical point of view (std deviation) , but the circumstances under which he did that statistic, really makes it 'wow'.

[Paa]

I think it is also impressive from pure std deviation point of view. I don't agree, that most driver can drive that consisently, this is why many drivers are very good in qualy then not so good in race.

Sure they can do 2 very similar laps in a row, but that doesn't mean they can do 20. Especially with constantly changing fuel level + tyre wear

[AR3-GP]

There was no lift and coast from lap 50 onwards. I don't think others do it as well. Lando Norris didn't have anyone challenging him and he was more inconsistent.

[Vettel165]

Weird I have a good feeling one day after this race. Having at least a small shot in the last races for the title feels like a miracle already. And also we won already 5 races against a dominant Mclaren. Well done Max and Red Bull, whatever comes is a bonus. One big mistake by the two Mclaren drivers and we are right there. Now everything has to be perfect, winning all 4 races…

[pantherxxx]

It's not conspiracy nonsense that he cut the corner that just not normal racing it's illegal,and it's not conspiracy to say a driver should leave room when pulling an overtaking move.other drivers are complaining they are not happy with the steward during race on Sunday. Anybody who has a history of watching f1 knows when a champion is at stake fia usually make dodgey decisions.

He gave back the place to the Ferrari, thus didn't gain any advantage. Learn the rules first before commenting.