2025/2026 Hybrid Powerunit speculation

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saviour stivala wrote:
30 Oct 2025, 16:59
The MGU-K will not ''brakes'' the ICE with 150kw when the ICE is putting out 400kw.
Time to put an end to this nonsense.
2026 TECHNICAL REGULATIONS. https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... -06-24.pdf
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1. This is the energy flow diagram published in the above technical regulations. Note the arrow in the yellow circle indicating energy can flow between the ICE and the MGU-K in either direction.
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2. This is the technical regulation on part throttle fuel limits. Why would you need to limit the fuel flow at reduced PU output - when the driver is already limiting the power with his right foot. The answer is "because the ICE is permitted to make more power than the driver demand - with the excess going to the ES via the MGU-K".
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3. This is a table showing permissible fuel energy flow for four values of "engine power" ("PU power"?) using the formula above. For simplicity I have assumed 50% TE at all outputs. Note that at only 218 kW driver demand, the maximum 3,000 MJ.hr is available - i.e. full ICE output is available - but only 218 kW is going to the rear wheels - the remaining 199 kW is going to the MGU-K.
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gruntguru wrote:
03 Nov 2025, 05:10
saviour stivala wrote:
30 Oct 2025, 16:59
The MGU-K will not ''brakes'' the ICE with 150kw when the ICE is putting out 400kw.
Time to put an end to this nonsense.
2026 TECHNICAL REGULATIONS. https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... -06-24.pdf
.
1. This is the energy flow diagram published in the above technical regulations. Note the arrow in the yellow circle indicating energy can flow between the ICE and the MGU-K in either direction.
https://i.imgur.com/aDHTMHk.png
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2. This is the technical regulation on part throttle fuel limits. Why do you need to limit the fuel flow at reduced PU output - when the driver is already limiting the power with his right foot. The answer is "because the ICE is permitted to make more power than the driver demand - and the excess sent to the ES via the MGU-K".
https://i.imgur.com/rpqNu90.png
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3. This is a table showing permissible fuel energy flow for four values of "engine power" ("PU power"?) using the formula above. For simplicity I have assumed 50% TE at all outputs. Note that at only 218 kW driver demand, the maximum 3,000 MJ.hr is available - i.e. full ICE output available - but only 218 kW going to the rear wheels (surplus 199 kW going to the MGU-K)
https://i.imgur.com/wMG6lTY.png
''Time to put an end to this nonsense'' Far from it. The 2026 formula 1 regulations depicts a bidirectional energy flow arrow between the ICE and MGU-K through a newly simplified power unit that removes the MGU-H. The MGU-K will now have a dual function: It harvests kinetic energy from braking to store in battery, and it can also receive energy from the ICE to deliver power to the drivetrain, creating a more interconnected system.

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saviour stivala wrote:
03 Nov 2025, 07:13
gruntguru wrote:
03 Nov 2025, 05:10
saviour stivala wrote:
30 Oct 2025, 16:59
The MGU-K will not ''brakes'' the ICE with 150kw when the ICE is putting out 400kw.
Time to put an end to this nonsense.
2026 TECHNICAL REGULATIONS. https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... -06-24.pdf
.
1. This is the energy flow diagram published in the above technical regulations. Note the arrow in the yellow circle indicating energy can flow between the ICE and the MGU-K in either direction.
https://i.imgur.com/aDHTMHk.png
.
2. This is the technical regulation on part throttle fuel limits. Why do you need to limit the fuel flow at reduced PU output - when the driver is already limiting the power with his right foot. The answer is "because the ICE is permitted to make more power than the driver demand - and the excess sent to the ES via the MGU-K".
https://i.imgur.com/rpqNu90.png
.
3. This is a table showing permissible fuel energy flow for four values of "engine power" ("PU power"?) using the formula above. For simplicity I have assumed 50% TE at all outputs. Note that at only 218 kW driver demand, the maximum 3,000 MJ.hr is available - i.e. full ICE output available - but only 218 kW going to the rear wheels (surplus 199 kW going to the MGU-K)
https://i.imgur.com/wMG6lTY.png
''Time to put an end to this nonsense'' Far from it. The 2026 formula 1 regulations depicts a bidirectional energy flow arrow between the ICE and MGU-K through a newly simplified power unit that removes the MGU-H. The MGU-K will now have a dual function: It harvests kinetic energy from braking to store in battery, and it can also receive energy from the ICE to deliver power to the drivetrain, creating a more interconnected system.
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So. Now that the 2014-2025 hybrid engines that the manufacturers REQUIRED in order to use the R&D for road cars are expiring, will we finally get road versions of these 50+% efficiency engines?!?!? Or is it all still just marketing BS?