2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Xyz22]

So the 2026 car will have a rear push rod suspension according to Autoracer.

[Emag]

So the 2026 car will have a rear push rod suspension according to Autoracer.

Which tells you nothing really. We have had so much suspension talk these last couple of years, and all it has done it's prove that it is totally useless information for outsiders because there's so much more that needs to be right for a car to perform before you start giving a crap about push/pull rod. It's been said by multiple TPs at this point, that the choice to go for one or the other is almost entirely directed by aero. Assuming they're well designed, you won't be giving up mechanical performance if you go for push-rod instead of pull-rod (or vice-versa).

[deadhead]

The hope is that suspension design won’t be as important as it is with the current generation cars otherwise they will continue to struggle

[deadhead]

[venkyhere]

So the 2026 car will have a rear push rod suspension according to Autoracer.

Which tells you nothing really. We have had so much suspension talk these last couple of years, and all it has done it's prove that it is totally useless information for outsiders because there's so much more that needs to be right for a car to perform before you start giving a crap about push/pull rod. It's been said by multiple TPs at this point, that the choice to go for one or the other is almost entirely directed by aero. Assuming they're well designed, you won't be giving up mechanical performance if you go for push-rod instead of pull-rod (or vice-versa).

100% agree... aero alone influencing push/pull rod choice is mostly for front, for rears packaging also becomes a deciding factor.
Plus, what I have come to understand about this ground effect era, is that the marriage of aero with suspension is far more 'sensitive' when it's a venturi floor where the total suction force is acting on a relatively small 'tunnel area/volume' with super-high air speeds and super-low pressure zones; compared to a 'typical regulation' cars where the total floor suction force acts on a larger, wedge shaped 'area/volume', but with lesser 'peaks' due to 'normal' air speeds.
In other words, the floor downforce was 'well distributed' laterally and longitudinally in the previous era, while for ground effect venturi tunnel era, the distribution is in longitudinal (and a bit lateral) 'lumps', making the suspension tuning far more difficult.
Please understand that I am an aero amateur, so take this with a pinch of salt

[Xyz22]

So the 2026 car will have a rear push rod suspension according to Autoracer.

Which tells you nothing really. We have had so much suspension talk these last couple of years, and all it has done it's prove that it is totally useless information for outsiders because there's so much more that needs to be right for a car to perform before you start giving a crap about push/pull rod. It's been said by multiple TPs at this point, that the choice to go for one or the other is almost entirely directed by aero. Assuming they're well designed, you won't be giving up mechanical performance if you go for push-rod instead of pull-rod (or vice-versa).

Mate i just reported the news.
I have absolutely no opinion on it

[Emag]

So the 2026 car will have a rear push rod suspension according to Autoracer.

Which tells you nothing really. We have had so much suspension talk these last couple of years, and all it has done it's prove that it is totally useless information for outsiders because there's so much more that needs to be right for a car to perform before you start giving a crap about push/pull rod. It's been said by multiple TPs at this point, that the choice to go for one or the other is almost entirely directed by aero. Assuming they're well designed, you won't be giving up mechanical performance if you go for push-rod instead of pull-rod (or vice-versa).

Mate i just reported the news.
I have absolutely no opinion on it

Just throwing a dig at it before some people start thinking it's a big deal like they assumed it would be for this year. Didn't mean it as a personal "attack" towards you

[Lasssept]

[dialtone]

If you can’t beat them, join them and the whole sunk cost fallacy stuff.

Good.

[atanatizante]

If you can’t beat them, join them and the whole sunk cost fallacy stuff.

Good.

Before these ground-effect cars, the majority of teams, except Mercedes and Force India, largely adopted Newey's car design philosophy, with high rake and pushrod on both the front and rear axles. Bearing in mind that the next generation of F1 cars will resemble these a lot, it seems Loic Serra was inspired by the renowned success of the RB16B from 2021. With this car, Newey, based on the W11 car, was focused on the airflow’s transit over the rear of the car, adopting a push-road suspension with the entire lower suspension assembly essentially being flipped over, with the trackrod mounted at the front, rather than the rear. Thus, the rear arm of the lower triangle was translated far forward and lower, precisely to create an area that was as clean as possible for the airflow. Of course, this suspension geometry is optimised for the adoption of a car with a high rake. Furthermore, it`ll be interesting to see whether they will adopt the multi-link arrangement at the push-road front suspension too ...

[atanatizante]

If anyone is interested in advanced telemetry and the Sao Paolo circuit requirements for a 2025 F1 car, you can watch the video below, automatically translated into English:

[catent]

I have no clue the quality/validity of this reporting, so take it with a large heaping of salt.

https://www.formula1.it/news/27735/1/fe ... -arrivati-

English translation: https://www-formula1-it.translate.goog/ ... r_pto=wapp

[Chuckjr]

I have no clue the quality/validity of this reporting, so take it with a large heaping of salt.

https://www.formula1.it/news/27735/1/fe ... -arrivati-

English translation: https://www-formula1-it.translate.goog/ ... r_pto=wapp

Here's the article in English (google translate)

For Ferrari, the weeks between late summer and early autumn were characterized by a revolving door atmosphere. Much ado was sparked by Wolf Zimmermann Lars Schmidt's departure from Audi, which, at a crucial time for the development of the 2026 power units, created a void in the Prancing Horse's engine department. While from the outside, the situation appeared fluid on the eve of the introduction of the new regulations, which will bring enormous changes to both aerodynamics and engines, Maranello quickly denials and professed calm, maintaining that the department headed by Enrico Gualtieri (who now has full power following the departure of two key collaborators) is working at full speed and with maximum concentration on the new power unit.

Experiments on... materials
According to our sources, the Scuderia had wanted to experiment with innovative material solutions on a PU since last May, such as a steel cylinder head. This idea was abandoned (no one knows when) in favor of traditional solutions made from additive-treated aluminum, to achieve levels of reliability and power that, given the temperatures and pressures involved, the original solution could not guarantee. For this reason, bench tests (to determine the reliability needed to ensure the unit's longevity, allowing the season to be run with the units permitted by the FIA) are in full swing. But, despite what other sources have reported, it's unknown under what conditions the pre-established targets were achieved, and whether they can be reassuring or not. Furthermore, in addition to reliability, Enrico Gualtieri's engineers will also have to determine the power needed to make the power unit at least competitive. And, according to information we have, the situation in this regard doesn't look too rosy: the Prancing Horse, at least at the start of the year, will most likely lag behind Mercedes, whose unit is widely tipped as the one that will set the bar. As they say, Vox populi…

Former rivals in the lead
And the people, or a portion of them, have given the Prancing Horse some less than flattering information regarding the work currently underway in Emilia on the development of the new engine. As is well known, technicians from other teams have recently arrived in Maranello, especially Alpine, which, after completing the PU 2026 program, freed up its engineers, who will soon be moving to new companies. Well, according to what has been learned in recent days, the engineers arriving from Viry-Chatillon have not praised the work of Ferrari's engine engineers, claiming that the Alpine engine (whose design and development were interrupted prematurely due to decisions made by company management, halting its life in the embryonic phase, thus preventing the "squeezing" of horsepower) performed better on the test bench than the one currently being developed in Maranello. This rumor, at a time when Ferrari's technicians are already considering the production of the components that will equip the 678's power unit in the initial tests, could represent a serious blow to the validity of the work done in recent months. On closer inspection, however, these suggestions could represent a "help" for Enrico Gualtieri's team, useful for correcting any shortcomings in a project born from a blank sheet of paper and in which even small details could have major consequences and bring significant benefits.

[ScuderiaLeo]

It's disheartening if they did abandon the material solutions. Last summer Autoracer reported Vasseur was focusing heavily on recruiting for that department and it was somewhere where Ferrari were optimistic they could make gains. I even remember posting the article here. And they said material solutions were an area they (Autoracer team) thought Ferrari was lagging behind compared to McLaren, and innovating there would be important to keep up.

The stuff about the engine seems like a reach however at least looking at Mercedes. How would engineers from Ferrari or Alpine know what Mercedes's PU is like?

Either way hopefully bringing in new people will also provide fresh perspectives for Ferrari's existing issues.

[Emag]

It's disheartening if they did abandon the material solutions. Last summer Autoracer reported Vasseur was focusing heavily on recruiting for that department and it was somewhere where Ferrari were optimistic they could make gains. I even remember posting the article here. And they said material solutions were an area they (Autoracer team) thought Ferrari was lagging behind compared to McLaren, and innovating there would be important to keep up.

The stuff about the engine seems like a reach however at least looking at Mercedes. How would engineers from Ferrari or Alpine know what Mercedes's PU is like?

Either way hopefully bringing in new people will also provide fresh perspectives for Ferrari's existing issues.

Something I’d like to add here, intra-paddock rumors are often quite accurate when it comes to these things. I don’t know exactly how details manage to leak out, but they do, and these rumors usually don’t come from nowhere. We had the same kind of “warning” before 2014 that Mercedes would have a really strong power unit. But we didn’t know how strong. Bahrain 2014 came along and we learned their advantage was massive, probably far beyond what anyone had anticipated. Let’s just hope that’s not the case this time.