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RedNEO wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:13
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08 Nov 2025, 17:05
RedNEO wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 16:59
Alonso held on to p6! Stroll out of the points! What a --- strat from AM but great result from Alonso!
Car was awful on the softs. I wonder if they will go M-H for the race if it is dry tomorrow?
I’d definitely suggest something like that depending on what was causing them to only ask Alonso to lift and coast. They weren’t telling Stroll to lift and coast but Stroll fell further faster. Karun was surprised that Alonso was the only driver being told to that in a sprint. Ridiculous
Alonso is experienced enough to know when to use lift and coast without being passed. This car still has the 2024 car's DNA when it comes to tyre wear. Stroll's tyres were cooked with about 5 laps to go without lifting and coasting on the softs.

I do not blame Aston Martin for going with softs on the restart because they were never told if it was going to be a rolling or standing start. Mediums on the wetter line killed Aston Martin on the original start.

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but they are not Fernando Alonso :wink:
It doesn't turn.

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TyreSlip wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:23
RedNEO wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:13
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08 Nov 2025, 17:05


Car was awful on the softs. I wonder if they will go M-H for the race if it is dry tomorrow?
I’d definitely suggest something like that depending on what was causing them to only ask Alonso to lift and coast. They weren’t telling Stroll to lift and coast but Stroll fell further faster. Karun was surprised that Alonso was the only driver being told to that in a sprint. Ridiculous
Alonso is experienced enough to know when to use lift and coast without being passed. This car still has the 2024 car's DNA when it comes to tyre wear. Stroll's tyres were cooked with about 5 laps to go without lifting and coasting on the softs.

I do not blame Aston Martin for going with softs on the restart because they were never told if it was going to be a rolling or standing start. Mediums on the wetter line killed Aston Martin on the original start.
Whatever the reason is Alonso was the only driver being told to do that. Alonso knows how to look after his tyres so lift and coast isn’t something to do with tyre life since Lance would also be told do that! If they were so worried about tyre life they wouldn’t have touched the softs. Something isn’t adding up here. It’s a sprint not a whole race.

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Anyway great drive from Alonso and good points! That matters more and let’s hope they don’t gimp him in the race or it will be over quickly and they will both be out of the points.

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Otromundo wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:20
The change to soft tires... mmm... although they seemed to work very well for Max... I thought about it seeing how his RB was doing: perhaps they cooled down on the straight and were a good option... but the AM doesn't like them here. The car has no speed, if it had a little more, just like its "stepbrothers" McL and MB... The team and its strange decisions... :wtf: ...
What’s even more bizarre is nobody is really explaining why from the team. Just silence.

But anyway a great “sprint” and coast race thanks to Alonso’s talent! =D>

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RedNEO wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:49
Otromundo wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:20
The change to soft tires... mmm... although they seemed to work very well for Max... I thought about it seeing how his RB was doing: perhaps they cooled down on the straight and were a good option... but the AM doesn't like them here. The car has no speed, if it had a little more, just like its "stepbrothers" McL and MB... The team and its strange decisions... :wtf: ...
What’s even more bizarre is nobody is really explaining why from the team. Just silence.

But anyway a great “sprint” and coast race thanks to Alonso’s talent! =D>
Alonso stated to the media that they had to restart on the softs as they did not have unlimited mediums for tomorrow. Same with the teams that started on the softs. They did not have unlimited softs for qualifying so had to restart on the mediums.

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TyreSlip wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:58
RedNEO wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:49
Otromundo wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:20
The change to soft tires... mmm... although they seemed to work very well for Max... I thought about it seeing how his RB was doing: perhaps they cooled down on the straight and were a good option... but the AM doesn't like them here. The car has no speed, if it had a little more, just like its "stepbrothers" McL and MB... The team and its strange decisions... :wtf: ...
What’s even more bizarre is nobody is really explaining why from the team. Just silence.

But anyway a great “sprint” and coast race thanks to Alonso’s talent! =D>
Alonso stated to the media that they had to restart on the softs as they did not have unlimited mediums for tomorrow. Same with the teams that started on the softs. They did not have unlimited softs for qualifying so had to restart on the mediums.
Not talking about softs vs mediums for the restart. If Alonso has to lift and coast for the whole sprint it won’t matter what they do in a race or what tyres they are on in a race they will be eaten up anyway. The explanation I’m waiting on is why lift and coast for a whole sprint on one car (the only car). This team isn’t worried about scoring points so I’m just confused what the strategy is here..

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He was told to lift and coast early after the restart, so maybe they messed up the fueling on his car or something.

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FNTC wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 18:14
He was told to lift and coast early after the restart, so maybe they messed up the fueling on his car or something.
They need to come out and tell us that or this is going to look bad. I don’t think Alonso will say anything because he kept himself ahead but I’m sure he will be furious.

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RedNEO wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 18:09
TyreSlip wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:58
RedNEO wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:49


What’s even more bizarre is nobody is really explaining why from the team. Just silence.

But anyway a great “sprint” and coast race thanks to Alonso’s talent! =D>
Alonso stated to the media that they had to restart on the softs as they did not have unlimited mediums for tomorrow. Same with the teams that started on the softs. They did not have unlimited softs for qualifying so had to restart on the mediums.
Not talking about softs vs mediums for the restart. If Alonso has to lift and coast for the whole sprint it won’t matter what they do in a race or what tyres they are on in a race they will be eaten up anyway. The explanation I’m waiting on is why lift and coast for a whole sprint on one car (the only car). This team isn’t worried about scoring points so I’m just confused what the strategy is here..
Maybe Stroll did not want to lift and coast? I cannot explain why he did not do it either. Stroll's pace fell off a cliff at the end so lifting and coasting did save time overall and was the correct strategy with the softs. More than likely, they will not be using that tyre for the race.

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TyreSlip wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 18:25
RedNEO wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 18:09
TyreSlip wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 17:58


Alonso stated to the media that they had to restart on the softs as they did not have unlimited mediums for tomorrow. Same with the teams that started on the softs. They did not have unlimited softs for qualifying so had to restart on the mediums.
Not talking about softs vs mediums for the restart. If Alonso has to lift and coast for the whole sprint it won’t matter what they do in a race or what tyres they are on in a race they will be eaten up anyway. The explanation I’m waiting on is why lift and coast for a whole sprint on one car (the only car). This team isn’t worried about scoring points so I’m just confused what the strategy is here..
Maybe Stroll did not want to lift and coast? I cannot explain why he did not do it either. Stroll's pace fell off a cliff at the end so lifting and coasting did save time overall and was the correct strategy with the softs. More than likely, they will not be using that tyre for the race.
Stroll wasn’t even asked. It’s not about the tyre because Alonso was doing it for the whole sprint (that was even shortened!). You don’t do lift and coast for a whole race, only for a fraction of it but again this is why the team needs to say something.

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Looks like they passed scrutineering at least so whatever it was they managed it.
If they ran the car low in the sprint and have to raise it now, I expect qualy to be worse than yesterday, but we will see...

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RedNEO wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 12:51
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08 Nov 2025, 12:20
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08 Nov 2025, 11:08
No I don’t think that’s how this works. People think gaps should just remain static once people have more stabs at the cherry. Alonso only needs one stab to get the best out of the car.
well, just look at the times, and you see he didn't. Losing significant time in general (Q3 lap time was much slower than Q2) may very well be to the car and conditions, of course, but losing that much time to Stroll as well simply means that he didn't maximize his potential. First row was up for grabs yesterday.
You guys just love to bring the age related nonsense back into things. It’s always Alonso but when other drivers do the same it’s the car. Give it a rest
It's an old story ? :)

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RedNEO wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 18:32
TyreSlip wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 18:25
RedNEO wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 18:09


Not talking about softs vs mediums for the restart. If Alonso has to lift and coast for the whole sprint it won’t matter what they do in a race or what tyres they are on in a race they will be eaten up anyway. The explanation I’m waiting on is why lift and coast for a whole sprint on one car (the only car). This team isn’t worried about scoring points so I’m just confused what the strategy is here..
Maybe Stroll did not want to lift and coast? I cannot explain why he did not do it either. Stroll's pace fell off a cliff at the end so lifting and coasting did save time overall and was the correct strategy with the softs. More than likely, they will not be using that tyre for the race.
Stroll wasn’t even asked. It’s not about the tyre because Alonso was doing it for the whole sprint (that was even shortened!). You don’t do lift and coast for a whole race, only for a fraction of it but again this is why the team needs to say something.
While on the softs, Alonso was only asked to lift and Coast for turn 4 for better performance. Later the engineer came back on and said you don't need to lift and coast if you're fighting, we don't need it to get to the end of the race. That being said, the outside rear had a dark stripe on the inside edge.

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diffuser wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 19:25
RedNEO wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 18:32
TyreSlip wrote:
08 Nov 2025, 18:25


Maybe Stroll did not want to lift and coast? I cannot explain why he did not do it either. Stroll's pace fell off a cliff at the end so lifting and coasting did save time overall and was the correct strategy with the softs. More than likely, they will not be using that tyre for the race.
Stroll wasn’t even asked. It’s not about the tyre because Alonso was doing it for the whole sprint (that was even shortened!). You don’t do lift and coast for a whole race, only for a fraction of it but again this is why the team needs to say something.
While on the softs, Alonso was only asked to lift and Coast for turn 4 for better performance. Later the engineer came back on and said you don't need to lift and coast if you're fighting, we don't need it to get to the end of the race. That being said, the outside rear had a dark stripe on the inside edge.
He literally had a car in his gearbox on both sprints the whole sprint. Not sure what on earth that was about “if you’re fighting”. I’m just glad Karun broadcasted that Alonso was the only driver told to lift and coast on Sky sports because it certainly isn’t something we would have just known and people would just think Alonso was slow or something. And yet again it’s not about tyres because Lance wasn’t even told so it obviously wasn’t a huge concern.