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[f1isgood]

I do wonder if the Mexico floor is a step up in race pace but a huge drop in quali pace if that's what they ran today.

As far as I know, Max was still on the Austin floor put with a different setup...

Tsunoda's setup was terrible, they went with another one.

Euv pointed out it looked like the Mexico floor. I am not sure. Austin floor is the same as Monza floor.

Tsunoda is terrible. I dont think he's worth anything. I am not criticizing him as a person or whatever but you have to be honest about his performances.

[f1isgood]

I do wonder if the Mexico floor is a step up in race pace but a huge drop in quali pace if that's what they ran today.

Quali was on old spec floor right, COTA spec?

Correct and good counterpoint but even the Mexico floor didn't look good in sprint qualifying

[search]

Euv pointed out it looked like the Mexico floor. I am not sure. Austin floor is the same as Monza floor.

Tsunoda is terrible. I dont think he's worth anything. I am not criticizing him as a person or whatever but you have to be honest about his performances.

before the start today, Jos Verstappen said that Max was using the old floor, Tsunoda the new one.

[f1isgood]

Euv pointed out it looked like the Mexico floor. I am not sure. Austin floor is the same as Monza floor.

Tsunoda is terrible. I dont think he's worth anything. I am not criticizing him as a person or whatever but you have to be honest about his performances.

before the start today, Jos Verstappen said that Max was using the old floor, Tsunoda the new one.

Okay good to know. Thanks, so that directly debunks my theory.

[venkyhere]

What a shitshow. All that Yuki data helped so much that both cars are out in Q1. The floor conspiracy theories are also dead in the water? Max was using the Monza floor afterall.

"Monza floor" by itself doesn't mean anything, unless they have the setup to go with it (like they did in Austin). From what it looks, they have no idea what to do, and are simply shooting in the dark. When I said 'gambler team' I didn't expect them to be like a drunk lottery winner at a casino. Right now, all the earlier talk from Monza about 'we found a new way to setup the car, working around correlation problems' is looking like 'they didn't really find anything, just got lucky, now it has run out'.

I am seeing posts expecting P7, some even expecting podium etc. Guys, let's be real, this is looking worse^ than Hungary, and even if it rains, the driver can't make a difference, if the car is not balanced at all (understeer in corner entry and oversteer in middle of corner) - it's undrivable. It will be some kind of redemption if going blind like this and starting from pitlane even leads to P10.

^they are all 'long corners' in Interlagos, unlike the few in Hungary, so the 'badness' is going to get amplified.

never have been happier to eat my words
The found the setup for a balanced car - was the rear wing different as well ?
Guess who was fastest in their fastest lap, in sector2 today.......

[f1isgood]

What a shitshow. All that Yuki data helped so much that both cars are out in Q1. The floor conspiracy theories are also dead in the water? Max was using the Monza floor afterall.

"Monza floor" by itself doesn't mean anything, unless they have the setup to go with it (like they did in Austin). From what it looks, they have no idea what to do, and are simply shooting in the dark. When I said 'gambler team' I didn't expect them to be like a drunk lottery winner at a casino. Right now, all the earlier talk from Monza about 'we found a new way to setup the car, working around correlation problems' is looking like 'they didn't really find anything, just got lucky, now it has run out'.

I am seeing posts expecting P7, some even expecting podium etc. Guys, let's be real, this is looking worse^ than Hungary, and even if it rains, the driver can't make a difference, if the car is not balanced at all (understeer in corner entry and oversteer in middle of corner) - it's undrivable. It will be some kind of redemption if going blind like this and starting from pitlane even leads to P10.

^they are all 'long corners' in Interlagos, unlike the few in Hungary, so the 'badness' is going to get amplified.

never have been happier to eat my words
The found the setup for a balanced car - was the rear wing different as well ?
Guess who was fastest in their fastest lap, in sector2 today.......

At this point I am not sure even they understand what they are doing because how can you explain such massive performance swings lol? It's like they need all 3 practise sessions to nail whatever it is that they want. They surely were on a purple patch of nailing it down from Monza for a few races.

[Vettel165]

"Monza floor" by itself doesn't mean anything, unless they have the setup to go with it (like they did in Austin). From what it looks, they have no idea what to do, and are simply shooting in the dark. When I said 'gambler team' I didn't expect them to be like a drunk lottery winner at a casino. Right now, all the earlier talk from Monza about 'we found a new way to setup the car, working around correlation problems' is looking like 'they didn't really find anything, just got lucky, now it has run out'.

I am seeing posts expecting P7, some even expecting podium etc. Guys, let's be real, this is looking worse^ than Hungary, and even if it rains, the driver can't make a difference, if the car is not balanced at all (understeer in corner entry and oversteer in middle of corner) - it's undrivable. It will be some kind of redemption if going blind like this and starting from pitlane even leads to P10.

^they are all 'long corners' in Interlagos, unlike the few in Hungary, so the 'badness' is going to get amplified.

never have been happier to eat my words
The found the setup for a balanced car - was the rear wing different as well ?
Guess who was fastest in their fastest lap, in sector2 today.......

At this point I am not sure even they understand what they are doing because how can you explain such massive performance swings lol? It's like they need all 3 practise sessions to nail whatever it is that they want. They surely were on a purple patch of nailing it down from Monza for a few races.

Its a diva, you never know what you gonna get from this car. One race you are fighting for race wins, and weekend later, you have the same pace as the midfield. The car is just not consistent enough...

[Emag]

He was P18, he passed Stroll on the restart and Ocon pitted at the same time.

It took 6-7 laps of hard pushing on the medium to get back where he was before the puncture. The disadvantage came at the end of the race when he didn't have enough tyre life to stay out until the end. If you eat all your sweets early you have nothing left for the end of the night.

I think you're just overstating your case. I will obviously concede that the puncture wasn't race ruining because of the VSC and going onto a medium which was a good tyre. But that doesn't mean it helped his race, doing more stops than you need to rarely does. Regardless he would have taken advantage of those great mediums, just with one less stop.

Check again, he was P16. Ocon pitted and he overtook Stroll at T1.



Other than this, I don't have much more to say about the topic. The hards were horrible and they would have made his race harder if he continued on with them (pun intended). I am not saying he was lucky to get a puncture. You're never lucky to get a puncture. He was "lucky" it happened under VSC while the field was still bunched up from the previous safety car as well. On normal race conditions, getting a slow puncture would have destroyed his race no matter what pace and advantages he had after.

[Dee]

"Monza floor" by itself doesn't mean anything, unless they have the setup to go with it (like they did in Austin). From what it looks, they have no idea what to do, and are simply shooting in the dark. When I said 'gambler team' I didn't expect them to be like a drunk lottery winner at a casino. Right now, all the earlier talk from Monza about 'we found a new way to setup the car, working around correlation problems' is looking like 'they didn't really find anything, just got lucky, now it has run out'.

I am seeing posts expecting P7, some even expecting podium etc. Guys, let's be real, this is looking worse^ than Hungary, and even if it rains, the driver can't make a difference, if the car is not balanced at all (understeer in corner entry and oversteer in middle of corner) - it's undrivable. It will be some kind of redemption if going blind like this and starting from pitlane even leads to P10.

^they are all 'long corners' in Interlagos, unlike the few in Hungary, so the 'badness' is going to get amplified.

never have been happier to eat my words
The found the setup for a balanced car - was the rear wing different as well ?
Guess who was fastest in their fastest lap, in sector2 today.......

At this point I am not sure even they understand what they are doing because how can you explain such massive performance swings lol? It's like they need all 3 practise sessions to nail whatever it is that they want. They surely were on a purple patch of nailing it down from Monza for a few races.

The massive swing is easily explained now by the Mexico floor upgrade. As the poster said, Max was fastest in sector 2 on the Monza/Austin floor today during the race.

The massive flaw that RB did was not directly test the Monza/Mexico floor only on Max in Mexico during FP1 and FP2 and incorrectly blame the performance on the altitude.

Tsunoda cannot be trusted to give accurate feedback on anything.

[f1isgood]

never have been happier to eat my words
The found the setup for a balanced car - was the rear wing different as well ?
Guess who was fastest in their fastest lap, in sector2 today.......

At this point I am not sure even they understand what they are doing because how can you explain such massive performance swings lol? It's like they need all 3 practise sessions to nail whatever it is that they want. They surely were on a purple patch of nailing it down from Monza for a few races.

The massive swing is easily explained now by the Mexico floor upgrade. As the poster said, Max was fastest in sector 2 on the Monza/Austin floor today during the race.

The massive flaw that RB did was not directly test the Monza/Mexico floor only on Max in Mexico during FP1 and FP2 and incorrectly blame the performance on the altitude.

Tsunoda cannot be trusted to give accurate feedback on anything.

I mean, they ran this floor yesterday and were nowhere in qualifying. I think there's clearly more to it than what meets the eye.

[Gillian]

"Monza floor" by itself doesn't mean anything, unless they have the setup to go with it (like they did in Austin). From what it looks, they have no idea what to do, and are simply shooting in the dark. When I said 'gambler team' I didn't expect them to be like a drunk lottery winner at a casino. Right now, all the earlier talk from Monza about 'we found a new way to setup the car, working around correlation problems' is looking like 'they didn't really find anything, just got lucky, now it has run out'.

I am seeing posts expecting P7, some even expecting podium etc. Guys, let's be real, this is looking worse^ than Hungary, and even if it rains, the driver can't make a difference, if the car is not balanced at all (understeer in corner entry and oversteer in middle of corner) - it's undrivable. It will be some kind of redemption if going blind like this and starting from pitlane even leads to P10.

^they are all 'long corners' in Interlagos, unlike the few in Hungary, so the 'badness' is going to get amplified.

never have been happier to eat my words
The found the setup for a balanced car - was the rear wing different as well ?
Guess who was fastest in their fastest lap, in sector2 today.......

At this point I am not sure even they understand what they are doing because how can you explain such massive performance swings lol? It's like they need all 3 practise sessions to nail whatever it is that they want. They surely were on a purple patch of nailing it down from Monza for a few races.

Well performance swing might not be as big as it looks. Qualifying P16 was bad but it might as well have been a top 10 position. Margins are just so small now.

[venkyhere]

At this point I am not sure even they understand what they are doing because how can you explain such massive performance swings lol? It's like they need all 3 practise sessions to nail whatever it is that they want. They surely were on a purple patch of nailing it down from Monza for a few races.

The massive swing is easily explained now by the Mexico floor upgrade. As the poster said, Max was fastest in sector 2 on the Monza/Austin floor today during the race.

The massive flaw that RB did was not directly test the Monza/Mexico floor only on Max in Mexico during FP1 and FP2 and incorrectly blame the performance on the altitude.

Tsunoda cannot be trusted to give accurate feedback on anything.

I mean, they ran this floor yesterday and were nowhere in qualifying. I think there's clearly more to it than what meets the eye.

My guess is that their know-how/expertise on how to 'tune a setup' works well with the Monza floor (they got it wrong before Q nevertheless) , but they don't have the time/resources to invest to gain the same expertise with the Mexico floor. The floor on GE cars by itself isn't good/bad - it's how it's "used" - ride height, suspension settings, tyre pressures, compounds, front wings, beam-wings,... you know how it's all black-arts, effectively. And the only team to succeed with these black-arts is McLaren (their poorest setup works better than 6-7 other teams' best setup on any given track).

[Dee]

At this point I am not sure even they understand what they are doing because how can you explain such massive performance swings lol? It's like they need all 3 practise sessions to nail whatever it is that they want. They surely were on a purple patch of nailing it down from Monza for a few races.

The massive swing is easily explained now by the Mexico floor upgrade. As the poster said, Max was fastest in sector 2 on the Monza/Austin floor today during the race.

The massive flaw that RB did was not directly test the Monza/Mexico floor only on Max in Mexico during FP1 and FP2 and incorrectly blame the performance on the altitude.

Tsunoda cannot be trusted to give accurate feedback on anything.

I mean, they ran this floor yesterday and were nowhere in qualifying. I think there's clearly more to it than what meets the eye.

The more to it was that Tsunoda has been on the old floor in Mexico and Brazil and was so bad, that Red Bull thought that the floor was terrible. They then gave Tsunoda's setup to Max instead of Max's normal setup on that floor that he ran from Monza to Austin.

Max being the quickest in sector 2 during the race is not a fluke. The potential was there in qualy, with the right setup.

[Badger]

He was P18, he passed Stroll on the restart and Ocon pitted at the same time.

It took 6-7 laps of hard pushing on the medium to get back where he was before the puncture. The disadvantage came at the end of the race when he didn't have enough tyre life to stay out until the end. If you eat all your sweets early you have nothing left for the end of the night.

I think you're just overstating your case. I will obviously concede that the puncture wasn't race ruining because of the VSC and going onto a medium which was a good tyre. But that doesn't mean it helped his race, doing more stops than you need to rarely does. Regardless he would have taken advantage of those great mediums, just with one less stop.

Check again, he was P16. Ocon pitted and he overtook Stroll at T1.

Right, he overtook Stroll and Ocon pitted. So he was P18 when the race restarted.

[Emag]

He was P18, he passed Stroll on the restart and Ocon pitted at the same time.

It took 6-7 laps of hard pushing on the medium to get back where he was before the puncture. The disadvantage came at the end of the race when he didn't have enough tyre life to stay out until the end. If you eat all your sweets early you have nothing left for the end of the night.

I think you're just overstating your case. I will obviously concede that the puncture wasn't race ruining because of the VSC and going onto a medium which was a good tyre. But that doesn't mean it helped his race, doing more stops than you need to rarely does. Regardless he would have taken advantage of those great mediums, just with one less stop.

Check again, he was P16. Ocon pitted and he overtook Stroll at T1.

Right, he overtook Stroll and Ocon pitted. So he was P18 when the race restarted.

You're being pedantic for no reason jesus. He was P16 by the time he reached T1 after the VSC restart. At the beginning of lap 9, he was P16 then, does this statement work for you?