2025 McLaren F1 Team

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Venkyhere you need to stop getting sour over every critisism I do. Not everyone has to agree with your opinion. Piastri indeed has lost the game and its a pity but he will learn. He has years in front of him. Without that 10 sec penalty which he caused he would have been 2nd or at worst 3rd in front of Max. And you seem to know nothing about me. While I would love if Oscar got the title Im a Mclaren fan above all and I will be delighted if a Mclaren driver gets the title. I'm also glad Lando Norris is making people and me also to eat their words. Red Bull pretty much changed everything inside plus the settings (right this time) under parc ferme making it a new car, and the safety car pretty much helped him get rid of that punctured soft. Let's not assume Max did all that by himself and no more of that Red Bull inferiority complex. The car is clear 2nd best with upgrades to match Mclaren. If they couldnt in Mexico and Brazil that's more of a driver underperformance.

Finally the reason of that remark was due to an old rule that forbade constant direction changes to break DRS. It was established after Hamilton changed directions to deny DRS to Petrov. It was 2012 the first year of DRS if Im correct. I wasnt sure if that rule still existed as drivers used to take penalties from that and that is why that remark.

Correction as Shabi said below it was 2010 Malaysia where Hamilton did that to stop Petrov from getting slipstreaming and then the FIA created a rule to stop that. I wonder what happened to that rule.

As I said many times some are calm some are more passionate. You dont need to take everything seriously.
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Darth-Piekus wrote:
09 Nov 2025, 22:33
Venkyhere you need to stop getting sour over every critisism I do. Not everyone has to agree with your opinion. Piastri indeed has lost the game and its a pity but he will learn. He has years in front of him. Without that 10 sec penalty which he caused he would have been 2nd or at worst 3rd in front of Max. And you seem to know nothing about me. While I would love if Oscar got the title Im a Mclaren fan above all and I will be delighted if a Mclaren driver gets the title. I'm also glad Lando Norris is making people and me also to eat their words. Red Bull pretty much changed everything inside plus the settings (right this time) under parc ferme making it a new car, and the safety car pretty much helped him get rid of that punctured soft. Let's not assume Max did all that by himself and no more of that Red Bull inferiority complex. The car is clear 2nd best with upgrades to match Mclaren. If they couldnt in Mexico and Brazil that's more of a driver problem.

Finally the reason of that remark was due to an old rule that forbade constant direction changes to break DRS. It was established after Hamilton changed directions to break DRS from Petrov. It was 2012 the first year of DRS if Im correct. I wasnt sure if that rule still existed as drivers used to take penalties from that and that is why that remark.

As I said many times some are calm some are more passionate. You dont need to take everything seriously.
It was in 2010 Malaysia. There were no DRS

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the EDGE wrote:
09 Nov 2025, 21:20
Lando struggled to get anything out of that soft tyre stint, he pitted with about a 6 second gap, and when he pitted again it was still 6 seconds

He than pulled out 4 seconds on the third stint

That’s why max was only 10 seconds behind
I don't understand what people are fretting about? Mclaren had a big advantage here. Lando wasn't pushing.

Lap 1 of soft tire stint: 1.14.233
Lap 19 of soft tire stint: 1.14.379

Zero degradation.

In the final stint, he cruises upwards of half a second a lap slower than Piastri, despite showing in qualifying and the 1st stint that he had 3-4 tenths a lap on Piastri. So what does this all say? Cruising.

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McL-H wrote:
09 Nov 2025, 19:30
I am so sick of this joke of a sport. This is no longer the F1 I fell in love with.

Amen... These Electric Tanks are ridiculous... 2026 Even Worse... :oops: :oops:

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Great performance by NOR all weekend, clean sweep, It could have not gotten any better for him. PIA made another mistake under pressure but I think the blame was 50/50 between him and Kimi.

We have 3 more races to go and one sprint, lets keep pushing boys, if we survive Las Vegas, Qatar and AbuDabi should be our territory :)
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bauc wrote:
10 Nov 2025, 10:17
Great performance by NOR all weekend, clean sweep, It could have not gotten any better for him. PIA made another mistake under pressure but I think the blame was 50/50 between him and Kimi.

We have 3 more races to go and one sprint, lets keep pushing boys, if we survive Las Vegas, Qatar and AbuDabi should be our territory :)
i fully expect Max to win in Las Vegas as track temps will be cooler and he has a fresh engine components too and the car suit suit the track too, behind him the fight for 2nd place will be interesting between McLaren, Mercedes and Ferrari, so next weekend it will be a damage limitation for Norris but very crucial for Oscar as he needs to score big points to keep it contention and avoid getting passed by Max.

There is no way others will beat Max in Vegas, if they do it will be because of some mechanical issue or a very rare mistake by him. Mclaren's should be good in track, but the low temps will affect them, Qatar & Abu Dhabi should suit Mclaren and could be close fight with Max, so looking forward to last two races.

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cliffgamerz wrote:
10 Nov 2025, 10:41
bauc wrote:
10 Nov 2025, 10:17
Great performance by NOR all weekend, clean sweep, It could have not gotten any better for him. PIA made another mistake under pressure but I think the blame was 50/50 between him and Kimi.

We have 3 more races to go and one sprint, lets keep pushing boys, if we survive Las Vegas, Qatar and AbuDabi should be our territory :)
i fully expect Max to win in Las Vegas as track temps will be cooler and he has a fresh engine components too and the car suit suit the track too, behind him the fight for 2nd place will be interesting between McLaren, Mercedes and Ferrari, so next weekend it will be a damage limitation for Norris but very crucial for Oscar as he needs to score big points to keep it contention and avoid getting passed by Max.

There is no way others will beat Max in Vegas, if they do it will be because of some mechanical issue or a very rare mistake by him. Mclaren's should be good in track, but the low temps will affect them, Qatar & Abu Dhabi should suit Mclaren and could be close fight with Max, so looking forward to last two races.
I agree, NOR can finish P3 in the next 3 races and still win the championship with 15+ points margin. Vegas will be damage limitation for him, but I expect PIA to be aggressive, if he falls again behind both VER and NOR it would be end game for him as well.
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From tires perspective this race was a big mess. To notice that Verstappen was the only driver using only new sets, as Russell had used.
So with a new engine, fresh tires, new setup, some collisions and rest of the field AI level around 60% :)))) the charge from P19 to P3 look more explicable.

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Looking forward to Las Vegas as none give McLaren a change, all "experts" seeing the team as 4th in performance in Las Vegas.

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Saw this and found in interesting to how Lando has learned to deal with the car.

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What is mentioned there by lowerlaptime is something I had noticed as well. I believe it to be a very peculiar bit of Lando's driving style (which took a long time for him to fix this year) and McLaren cars being somewhat weird to handle for a long time too, so Lando was used to it. I think the MCL39 has been the first "conventional-feeling" fast car McLaren has produced in a very long time. I have made this point before, and of course you have to be a bit careful with extrapolations, but my theory is that Lando Norris has a very similar style to Fernando Alonso. Or at least, they prefer having cars that behave similarly, because I think Alonso is a far more adaptable driver, perhaps amongst the best of the last 20 years in that regard. But Alonso might have influenced McLaren's design philosophy for years after his departure just because Lando preferred that feel too. We had a lot of complains from other drivers though. Carlos said the car feels weird to drive (although he could deal with it well enough), and Daniel Ricciardo absolutely hated it. Pretty much pushed him to retirement because he could not get to grips with it.

Now, why do I think Alonso influenced McLaren cars?
When Alonso joined McLaren, he was the de facto #1 driver for the team. Him and Jenson do tend to deal with understeer exceptionally well. Jenson in particular was quite impressive in making understeery cars go fast. When Jenson left in 2016, all feedback was coming from Fernando, who demanded certain things from the car. Now remember, Alonso won both his titles with Renaults that he drove in a really weird way (yanking full lock on corners to induce understeer). Of course, that sort of style is no longer possible with Pirelli tires, but you could get close to it. And in 2017, it was exactly like that.

This is what he had to say back then:
I feel really strong driving this year with these cars. I can do also my driving style, my quick input on the steering wheel on entries like in the old days. So I’m really enjoying, I feel very strong, I’m feeling the strongest here. But I don’t have the power. I have a lot of time.
2018 was more of the same and then Alonso retires, but the 2019 car is built entirely on his feedback. Essentially McLaren carried over their design philosophy, but tried to rectify some design blunders with the car. Lando Norris was fast with it from the get-go. He outqualified Carlos Sainz in his rookie season if I recall correctly. And I know, Carlos is not held to super high regard nowadays, but he is no slouch. A rookie beating him in qualifying H2H should have turned more heads than it did, but McLaren was irrelevant back then so not many people were paying attention.

Due to circumstances, the 2020 and 2021 cars were literally evolutions of each-other. So the weird trait of the car preferring this quick steering input persisted from 2019. But here is where it's a bit difficult to carry this theory over. Is it likely that they maintained the same trait going into 2022 on a completely different regulation set?

Honestly, I don't deem it unlikely. Lando was doing exceptionally well in 2021. That season actually increased his stock as a driver because he was really impressive. McLaren had no reason not to try and make cars feel good for Lando. So in my opinion, up until 2024, McLaren cars were "conventionally weird", but Lando could make them work. And I suspect, Alonso would have absolutely loved the 2024 McLaren too. In 2025, McLaren actually changed a lot mechanically about the car, even though in the surface it doesn't look it. The car didn't feel natural for Lando anymore. He was trying to extract laptime from it the same way he had done up until then, but it didn't work. And his really fast teammate finally got the chance to shine with a car that is fast and also doesn't have "peculiar" handling requirements.
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I have to admit this didn’t cross my mind when Red Bull fitted an entirely new PU.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mcla ... ne-switch/
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AR3-GP wrote:
10 Nov 2025, 15:58
CjC wrote:
10 Nov 2025, 14:50
I have to admit this didn’t cross my mind when Red Bull fitted an entirely new PU.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mcla ... ne-switch/


A month ago, the paddock was whispering about a budget cap breach possibly involving Mclaren or their engine partner (Mercedes), and Mclaren (Neither Zak, nor Stella) didn't have a single word to offer during the entire news cycle.

Now there is not a hint of Red Bull doing anything wrong, and Stella wants "answers" and want to start another cost cap saga. Isn't that weird? Weird to me at least.
Which other team had anything to say during the period? There were rumors going around the validity of which was not really evaluated at all. People were just rolling with whatever they wanted to believe. The cost cap was discussed and solved internally. None of the teams had anything to say about it, because evidently, there was nothing to talk about.

This other topic is different and unrelated. Stella is just being sly about it, but it's a valid "clarification" he is asking for here. Perhaps not so much for this season, but for the upcoming one where Power Units will be new again. As he mentioned, at least for Mercedes, there's not enough degradation in mileage to justify taking penalties for new engines. But that could change next year.
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AR3-GP wrote:
10 Nov 2025, 15:58
CjC wrote:
10 Nov 2025, 14:50
I have to admit this didn’t cross my mind when Red Bull fitted an entirely new PU.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mcla ... ne-switch/


A month ago, the paddock was whispering about a budget cap breach possibly involving Mclaren or their engine partner (Mercedes). Mclaren (Neither Zak, nor Stella) didn't have a single word to offer during the entire news cycle.

Now there is not a hint of Red Bull doing anything wrong, and Stella wants "answers", to stir suspicion about Red Bull, and start another cost cap saga. Isn't that weird?

That's why I think what happened 1 month ago involved a lot of funny business.
So you think that a month ago someone completely buried a story (I guess McLaren braking the cost cap) but this time Stella is out of line by asking whether this counts for the cost cap? As can be seen in the article, Red Bull itself says they had no reliability concerns over the engines. So the change is purely performance based.

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AR3-GP wrote:
10 Nov 2025, 15:58
CjC wrote:
10 Nov 2025, 14:50
I have to admit this didn’t cross my mind when Red Bull fitted an entirely new PU.

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mcla ... ne-switch/


A month ago, the paddock was whispering about a budget cap breach possibly involving Mclaren or their engine partner (Mercedes). Mclaren (Neither Zak, nor Stella) didn't have a single word to offer during the entire news cycle.

Now there is not a hint of Red Bull doing anything wrong, and Stella wants "answers", to stir suspicion about Red Bull, and start another cost cap saga. Isn't that weird?
This is anything but weird. They are just making it very obvious that this RB change should be classed under cost cap, as not reliability. Just making sure so RB don't try something at a later date

This is the obvious thing Mc should be doing.