2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Bill]

It's over Norris could can have two dnfs and still win the championship. With benefit of hindsight Horner strategy of focusing on 2026 was the right one .the only reason Max still in these fight is Norris has 2 dnf one of which was his own mistakes. The road ahead is going to be tough for redbull a new pu and departure of Newey and Marshall.

[Sergej]

25 points to Oscar's P2, which would be quite an achievement against that McLaren. I think it's doable, but we cannot afford any more setup blunder like in Brazil, especially in Qatar sprint weekend.

[venkyhere]

Floor upgrades earlier than I had hoped, but sounds like an optimization/modification job.

Also sounds like the engine cover upgrade is a modification job of the new spec, wider engine cover introduced at Singapore, but isn't just specific to Mexico like many teams' engine cover will be. It'll be useable at any other hot races (Qatar, Abu dhabi for instance)

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That Monza floor unlocked so much performance it's insane. Reminds me of the floor they bolted on in 2022 on the final day of testing in Bahrain. They couldn't contain their smiles then. Hopefully they can smile now.

Technical team deserves so much .

That would be ideal. Let's hope Yuki for once can be between 3 to 4 tenths off Max. That will be very good progress. He might even be retained if he proves a capable second driver for the last 5 races.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch... FP2 will tell us, possibly it will take until end of FP3 to form a verdict.

Reading the published datasheet of the changes, looks like A LOT for the (N-4)th race of the last year of a regulation. This is the engineering team in full-on attack mode (probably planned 4-5 months ago). However, I won't get excited just yet, will wait until end of FP3. The team has a not-very-old history of 'upgrades' ending up as 'updates' , hopefully not this time.

Yes I did understand from the document that the changes are circuit specific cooling needs and the floor revision. My surprise is that they are going ultra-aggressive with the shape of the floor tunnel ('lowered uoper floor surface') - unsure whether it is fore or aft of the venturi neck, apart from a 'sidepod revision' that is mentioned as well. I rather expected some edge wing changes only, to clean-up/modify the edge vortices. This is like a 'main' change. Hence my comment.

How I wish that the foreboding that I had on the Mexico Thursday never came true... had they continued with the Monza floor (which would have allowed an easier base-setup in each FP1), what could have been a 15 (7+1+7) point gain on Norris, ended up being a 23 (10+3+10) point loss to him. That's a swing of 38 points. WDC would have been a realistic possibility for Max. Imagine going into the last three weekends with Norris having only a 11 point advantage over Max.... it would have been like 2021.

[Vettel165]

Nah realistic Mclaren was just too fast on this kind of high downforce circuits, Mexico we had no chance for p1 also with the right setup. Look at Hungary and Zantvoort. Red Bull is a car that is fantastic in high-speed corners when using the low-drag setup/ wings like in Monza and also very quick on the straights. The car is clearly lacking rear traction to fight for the wins on high downforce tracks. We had no chance, Lando without 2 DNF would be more than 80 points ahead, Max did his job and extracted most of the season. He did a fantastic job, but the middle of the season was pretty much poor, the car was just slow. To even have a small shot is a achievement itself. Just enjoy the last races, living in the past what if will never be a good thing in life. The car was just a diva, not consistent on most circuits. Mclaren as a car was just better.

[cliffgamerz]

Nah realistic Mclaren was just too fast on this kind of high downforce circuits, Mexico we had no chance for p1 also with the right setup. Look at Hungary and Zantvoort. Red Bull is a car that is fantastic in high-speed corners when using the low-drag setup/ wings like in Monza and also very quick on the straights. The car is clearly lacking rear traction to fight for the wins on high downforce tracks. We had no chance, Lando without 2 DNF would be more than 80 points ahead, Max did his job and extracted most of the season. He did a fantastic job, but the middle of the season was pretty much poor, the car was just slow. To even have a small shot is a achievement itself. Just enjoy the last races, living in the past what if will never be a good thing in life. The car was just a diva, not consistent on most circuits. Mclaren as a car was just better.

i agree with car being a diva, but not all hope is lost yet as he has fresh new PU components and next track with cooler temps will be more of a Redbull Max territory, last two races though will be a hard one to judge still as McLarens on theory should be fast there, but for Max to win the title he needs to maximize and win all three and hope for the best, Next weekend is crucial as Mercedes and Ferrari do better in cold temps, so if they are in the Mix it will be clear of how things are going to be for the fight.

[tinuva]

I do want to see Max win the next 3 races and sprint regardless of whether he gets WDC or not. Him just driving his best is a great show. WDC is basically over. Will definitely just enjoy the show now.

[f1isgood]

That Monza floor unlocked so much performance it's insane. Reminds me of the floor they bolted on in 2022 on the final day of testing in Bahrain. They couldn't contain their smiles then. Hopefully they can smile now.

Technical team deserves so much .

That would be ideal. Let's hope Yuki for once can be between 3 to 4 tenths off Max. That will be very good progress. He might even be retained if he proves a capable second driver for the last 5 races.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch... FP2 will tell us, possibly it will take until end of FP3 to form a verdict.

Reading the published datasheet of the changes, looks like A LOT for the (N-4)th race of the last year of a regulation. This is the engineering team in full-on attack mode (probably planned 4-5 months ago). However, I won't get excited just yet, will wait until end of FP3. The team has a not-very-old history of 'upgrades' ending up as 'updates' , hopefully not this time.

Yes I did understand from the document that the changes are circuit specific cooling needs and the floor revision. My surprise is that they are going ultra-aggressive with the shape of the floor tunnel ('lowered uoper floor surface') - unsure whether it is fore or aft of the venturi neck, apart from a 'sidepod revision' that is mentioned as well. I rather expected some edge wing changes only, to clean-up/modify the edge vortices. This is like a 'main' change. Hence my comment.

How I wish that the foreboding that I had on the Mexico Thursday never came true... had they continued with the Monza floor (which would have allowed an easier base-setup in each FP1), what could have been a 15 (7+1+7) point gain on Norris, ended up being a 23 (10+3+10) point loss to him. That's a swing of 38 points. WDC would have been a realistic possibility for Max. Imagine going into the last three weekends with Norris having only a 11 point advantage over Max.... it would have been like 2021.

In hindsight everything is possible. Your guess was as good as anyone's. Red Bull did run the floor to compare, just on the wrong guy. That is just operational error. You can't hope to snatch away a WDC with such errors.

[Henk_v]

I think from now on we will see RB running skinnier rear wings. 2nd time now Verstappen vetoed the wing the team wanted and made it work amazingly. He will try to shoot for P1 in Q and then nullify any DRS / tyre advantage from behind by just being too fast to overtake.

[Vettel165]

0.0001% chance, but if this happens I would be the happiest man alive…

Otherwise will just enjoy now this season until the end. 2026 comes a reset…

[vorticism]

P19 to P3. Another "Bravo," moment that's easy to lose amongst his numerous others. One element dropped the ball this weekend, and it wasn't Max. I sense a foreshadowing of 2026. One guy can't carry an entire upper management staff. I do think the bulk of the enterprise is still good in terms of staff and facilities, so you have to look toward what has changed since Dietrich passed away, and it wasn't Max nor the grunts.

We all owe something to Horner for being made into the fall guy. Makes me think of Porsche's CEO who was recently sacked for following the mandates his government placed upon his corporation. Boards... what worthless halfwits they tend to be. Hesitant, jittery, spendthrifts that, ironically, love to burn money.

[venkyhere]

0.0001% chance, but if this happens I would be the happiest man alive…

Otherwise will just enjoy now this season until the end. 2026 comes a reset…

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Whoever made this chart.... how desperate are they ? getting emotionally attached like this is unhealthy, imho.

[organic]

If they'd never used the new floor at Mexico/Brazil sprint maybe things would be different...

[AR3-GP]

I knew Peter W. would have a good time after this one...

[pantherxxx]

0.0001% chance, but if this happens I would be the happiest man alive…

Otherwise will just enjoy now this season until the end. 2026 comes a reset…

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Betting odds still give Verstappen 4% chance to win.

[Sergej]

I knew Peter W. would have a good time after this one...

that man is a Max taliban, love him