2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[dans79]

That's the problem isn't it? He brought in Hamilton on big money and now that Hamilton isn't meeting expectation, it reflects poorly on his judgement.

Leclerc has 7 podiums. He said Ferrari wants to finish P2 and that the drivers (obviously Hamilton, he just wouldn't want to do that publically) need to perform. I don't understand why many are so touchy about this. It's true.

Seems more like you're just using this as an excuse to bash Hamilton!

[AR3-GP]

While he's made more mistakes than Leclerc and been generally performing poorer, was Elkann or anyone really expecting Hamilton to beat Leclerc? Anyone who thought that was severely underrating Leclerc's abilities.

Leclerc isn't being underrated. Hamilton was simply expected to do more as a 7x WDC who claimed he is not done and can win an 8th title. He won't do anything driving like this. To his credit, Hamilton had an outstanding season in 2023, but he hasn't been the same driver since then. He's far worse. Leclerc is fortunate that Hamilton has declined heavily because now if the car is good, Hamilton no longer has the powers to fight Leclerc (except if it rains).

From Zandvoort to now he has 39 points and Leclerc has 63, that would be slightly closer if things in Mexico had gone differently. Actually, Hamilton has brought more points to the team than Antonelli has relative to Russell's results since Zandvoort, and everyone has been talking about how good Antonelli has been recently. 61% of Leclerc's points is hardly a gap large enough to warrant Elkann's comment.

Bad faith argument. Antonelli is a 19-year-old rookie.

Like Emag said, even if Hamilton has underperformed across the season, he is not the main reason for the team's failure compared to last season. The car and communication have been far more impactful to their final points total than Hamilton being a few positions behind Leclerc, because these are both drivers who we know can compete for wins if given the opportunity, and they haven't been given the opportunity.

Elkann hasn't blamed Hamilton for the teams failure to win the titles. He is attempting to point out that they've recently improved the car (judging Leclerc's podium streak) and therefore Hamilton is probably costing them P2 in the WCC due to his current form.

[dans79]

Elkann hasn't blamed Hamilton for the teams failure to win the titles. He is attempting to point out that they've recently improved the car (judging Leclerc's podium streak) and therefore Hamilton is probably costing them P2 in the WCC due to his current form.

And he is proving why he is a moron. a distant P2 with the second least amount of cfd and tunnel time is not where anyone with a brain would want to be given how crap the car is.

[Badger]

I sort of understand where Elkann is coming from, even if this probably should have been kept private. You have to remember that he is paying by far the most for his drivers of anyone on the grid, and he will be expecting superior results for that investment relative to other driver pairings. What happened in Brazil was definitely not that, and it has basically put them out of contention for P2 in the WCC. Ferrari's driving is not a weakness, but neither do I feel it has been a strength, and I think Elkann expected it to be.

[AR3-GP]

People have to make up their minds about Elkann. Elkann brought Hamilton to Ferrari himself. It was his personal mission. If you are happy that Hamilton is at Ferrari, you have Elkann to thank for it. You can't turn on Elkann now for simply stating what anyone can see with their two eyes. Hamilton is not living up to expectations.

[SoulPancake13]

I sort of understand where Elkann is coming from, even if this probably should have been kept private. You have to remember that he is paying by far the most for his drivers of anyone on the grid, and he will be expecting superior results for that investment relative to other driver pairings. What happened in Brazil was definitely not that, and it has basically put them out of contention for P2 in the WCC. Ferrari's driving is not a weakness, but neither do I feel it has been a strength, and I think Elkann expected it to be.

Leclerc is the only saving grace for this team right now, if he wants to find a better driver, he should go ahead and try. He'll figure out quickly how much Leclerc covered over the cracks. He should start with actually opening up the checkbook for some talented engineers, but he is too stingy to do that I guess. All about the shareholders and nothing else... not that he is very good at that anyways considering Stellantis.

[dans79]

Leclerc is the only saving grace for this team right now, if he wants to find a better driver, he should go ahead and try. He'll figure out quickly how much Leclerc covered over the cracks. He should start with actually opening up the checkbook for some talented engineers, but he is too stingy to do that I guess. All about the shareholders and nothing else... not that he is very good at that anyways considering Stellantis.

You can't just do that anymore because of the stupid budget cap!

[ScuderiaLeo]

I sort of understand where Elkann is coming from, even if this probably should have been kept private. You have to remember that he is paying by far the most for his drivers of anyone on the grid, and he will be expecting superior results for that investment relative to other driver pairings. What happened in Brazil was definitely not that, and it has basically put them out of contention for P2 in the WCC. Ferrari's driving is not a weakness, but neither do I feel it has been a strength, and I think Elkann expected it to be.

In what world has Leclerc's driving not been up to par or worth his contract? He's getting as good results as he should expect from Leclerc given the inconsistencies in the car. If Elkann was expecting 2024 level results they should've delivered a 2024 level car.

The only driver who could get consistently better results is Verstappen and there's an approximately 0% chance of him joining Ferrari.

[dialtone]

It’s mind blowing we’re talking about the drivers… MCL is winning everything with the worse pairing of the top 4 teams.

Elkann is an idiot.

[Macklaren]

… MCL is winning everything with the worse pairing of the top 4 teams.

Do you think the McLaren pairing is "worse" than RUS+a rookie ANT? or TSU with Max over at RBR?

[Badger]

I sort of understand where Elkann is coming from, even if this probably should have been kept private. You have to remember that he is paying by far the most for his drivers of anyone on the grid, and he will be expecting superior results for that investment relative to other driver pairings. What happened in Brazil was definitely not that, and it has basically put them out of contention for P2 in the WCC. Ferrari's driving is not a weakness, but neither do I feel it has been a strength, and I think Elkann expected it to be.

In what world has Leclerc's driving not been up to par or worth his contract? He's getting as good results as he should expect from Leclerc given the inconsistencies in the car. If Elkann was expecting 2024 level results they should've delivered a 2024 level car.

The only driver who could get consistently better results is Verstappen and there's an approximately 0% chance of him joining Ferrari.

I don't think I singled out Leclerc's driving in my comment. I said that their combined salaries don't match their combined performance. Given where they are in the WDC and given their individual salaries I think you can figure out for yourself where the bulk of the blame goes for that. For Elkann he's paying by far the most but he's getting more or less what the other top teams have, that will be the source of his frustration.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Judging by Leclerc's Instagram caption about Brazil's race, it doesn't seem like he's happy about Elkann's comment.

It's also his first time this year using a picture of someone other than himself (Fred) as the cover photo. Fred definitely has the loyalty of the drivers.

[dans79]

I don't think I singled out Leclerc's driving in my comment. I said that their combined salaries don't match their combined performance. Given where they are in the WDC and given their individual salaries I think you can figure out for yourself where the bulk of the blame goes for that. For Elkann he's paying by far the most but he's getting more or less what the other top teams have, that will be the source of his frustration.

Well John should have done a better job of ensuring the drivers had a good car then. He hired a driver known for being a late braker and getting a lot of his performance by braking as late as possible.

What has the team given the drivers? A car that regularly needs to have the breaks babied, and at times requires several hundred meters of lift & cost.

[Luscion]

Judging by Leclerc's Instagram caption about Brazil's race, it doesn't seem like he's happy about Elkann's comment.

It's also his first time this year using a picture of someone other than himself (Fred) as the cover photo. Fred definitely has the loyalty of the drivers.

Yup, definitely seems like an indirect response to Elkann

[ScuderiaLeo]

Judging by Leclerc's Instagram caption about Brazil's race, it doesn't seem like he's happy about Elkann's comment.

It's also his first time this year using a picture of someone other than himself (Fred) as the cover photo. Fred definitely has the loyalty of the drivers.

Yup, definitely seems like an indirect response to Elkann

Take a look at what Hamilton posted too

Safe to say neither driver appreciated Elkann's comment.

I wonder what will happen to this team when they both leave and we have a brand new lineup, possibly new TP too. It will get worse before it gets better.