2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[yooogurt]

I would also be unhappy if I gave 100kk (and most likely more) for results worse than Carlos Sainz for 20kk

[f1isgood]

I would also be unhappy if I gave 100kk (and most likely more) for results worse than Carlos Sainz for 20kk

I think it's still strange to me that Hamilton has done worse than Sainz. I always knew he would lose to Leclerc based on his performance relative to George since late 23. But the gap is very bad. Also, everyone who is not straight up delusional could see that it was never a sporting decision however which makes Elkanns comments even more dumb. I thought Ferrari wanted good marketing and it's no doubt Hamilton that brings the most marketing by far of all the drivers.

[ScuderiaLeo]

I think it's still strange to me that Hamilton has done worse than Sainz. I always knew he would lose to Leclerc based on his performance relative to George since late 23. But the gap is very bad. Also, everyone who is not straight up delusional could see that it was never a sporting decision however which makes Elkanns comments even more dumb. I thought Ferrari wanted good marketing and it's no doubt Hamilton that brings the most marketing by far of all the drivers.

We don't really know how Sainz would have done in this car, so..

Coincidentally Hamilton is currently 66 points behind Leclerc, last year Sainz finished 66 points behind Leclerc. Just something I noticed right now while looking up the standings

[Alakshendra]

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Newey would never go to Ferrari, not even if they offered him a trillion dollars. Ferrari would never give him carte blanche in the engineering team to do whatever he wanted. Lawrence Stroll offered Newey exactly that at Aston Martin, and that's why he went there.

Newey likes having the freedom to carry out his ideas and not having to be questioned by outdated engineers responsible for the team's failures in past years. That's the kind of environment he would find at Ferrari.
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Loved the words outdated engineers , I agree on this fully and saying same from years, we do not have the right set of engineers who can develop a monster of a car. Merc did it, Red bull did it and now MCL doing it and season after season we just stay behind. Driver can drive and extract the max out of car but if the car ceiling itself is at 50 then max we can get is 50. Changes are required

[basti313]

I thought Ferrari wanted good marketing and it's no doubt Hamilton that brings the most marketing by far of all the drivers.

? Is this the case? Now?
The stocks jumped in 2024 when the move was announced. This vanished....similarly to some merch in the beginning of the season....this is down as down can be now. I think he is still Nr.1 in his longterm involvements, but this is all down to beginning of next year.
At the moment I would not see a lot of marketing value on Ferraris side...

I would also be unhappy if I gave 100kk (and most likely more) for results worse than Carlos Sainz for 20kk

It is certainly not 100...that is the number with well exploited bonuses. I do not see bonuses here...

[dans79]

Coincidentally Hamilton is currently 66 points behind Leclerc, last year Sainz finished 66 points behind Leclerc. Just something I noticed right now while looking up the standings

Imagine that, The truth doesn't align with what so many closet haters want everyone to believe.

[f1isgood]

I think it's still strange to me that Hamilton has done worse than Sainz. I always knew he would lose to Leclerc based on his performance relative to George since late 23. But the gap is very bad. Also, everyone who is not straight up delusional could see that it was never a sporting decision however which makes Elkanns comments even more dumb. I thought Ferrari wanted good marketing and it's no doubt Hamilton that brings the most marketing by far of all the drivers.

We don't really know how Sainz would have done in this car, so..

Coincidentally Hamilton is currently 66 points behind Leclerc, last year Sainz finished 66 points behind Leclerc. Just something I noticed right now while looking up the standings

While we indeed don't know how Sainz would have fared, being 66 points behind when the car cannot score significant amount of points on its own is a much larger gap. I don't think Sainz had a worse head-to-head in any of his seasons next to Charles either.

[Badger]

The team is scoring less points this year which means that the points differential gets compressed. But as a percentage of the points scored for the team Hamilton is not doing as well as Sainz (40,8% vs 44,4% for Sainz in 2024). And even that comparison is probably overestimating Hamilton's performance given that Charles has had two DNFs through no fault of his own.

I also saw an interesting take on the Elkann situation that I hadn't considered. Ferrari won the WEC championship on Sunday, same day as the disaster race in Brazil. Someone suggested that Elkann was ticked off when he saw that Lewis had characterised his first year at Ferrari as a "nightmare" after the race, as he felt it painted this year as a negative for Ferrari in motorsport and took away attention from the very positive news in WEC. I thought it was quite a compelling perspective as the comment seemed a bit out of character for Elkann. But he seemed upset about a lack of consideration for the wider brand.

[dans79]

But he seemed upset about a lack of consideration for the wider brand.

That is and always has been Ferrari senior management's problem. Almost no one gives a crap about their brand, but they have always been unable to grasp that.

[deadhead]

I think it's still strange to me that Hamilton has done worse than Sainz. I always knew he would lose to Leclerc based on his performance relative to George since late 23. But the gap is very bad. Also, everyone who is not straight up delusional could see that it was never a sporting decision however which makes Elkanns comments even more dumb. I thought Ferrari wanted good marketing and it's no doubt Hamilton that brings the most marketing by far of all the drivers.

We don't really know how Sainz would have done in this car, so..

Coincidentally Hamilton is currently 66 points behind Leclerc, last year Sainz finished 66 points behind Leclerc. Just something I noticed right now while looking up the standings

The point gap this year is a bit “artificial” since Leclerc got taken out twice (Holland and Brazil) while on course for some solid points in races where Hamilton made mistakes and didn’t finish the race.

Regardless, Hamilton might still finish closer to Leclerc than Sainz did last year…

[Badger]

But he seemed upset about a lack of consideration for the wider brand.

That is and always has been Ferrari senior management's problem. Almost no one gives a crap about their brand, but they have always been unable to grasp that.

That's obviously not true. If "almost no one" cared about the Ferrari brand then why was this whole Hamilton to Ferrari move portrayed as a big deal in the first place? If we exclude the brand synergy between these two parties then all we have is a 40 year old past his prime driver going to a team that hasn't won in 17 years. Without the brand aspect the whole partnership is one big "meh".

Elkann got ticked off when his WEC title win was quickly overshadowed by "Hamilton's Ferrari nightmare". He's paying Lewis for the brand synergy, but if the brands start detracting from one another that money he is spending quickly starts to look really unjustified.

[AR3-GP]

The team is scoring less points this year which means that the points differential gets compressed. But as a percentage of the points scored for the team Hamilton is not doing as well as Sainz (40,8% vs 44,4% for Sainz in 2024). And even that comparison is probably overestimating Hamilton's performance given that Charles has had two DNFs through no fault of his own.

Also consider that in Sainz's first season with Ferrari (2021), he was close enough and adapted quickly to a new team/new car. As a result, he finished ahead of Leclerc in the points. Before the "Leclerc was unlucky" crusaders enter the argument, if Carlos wasn't close then even Leclerc's bad luck wouldn't have allowed Sainz to finish ahead. This year Charles has had some bad luck (zandvoort, Brazil) as well as some incidents of his own (Miami, Canada, Silverstone), but is still miles in front of Hamilton in the standings.

[WardenOfTheNorth]

I thought Ferrari wanted good marketing and it's no doubt Hamilton that brings the most marketing by far of all the drivers.

? Is this the case? Now?
The stocks jumped in 2024 when the move was announced. This vanished....similarly to some merch in the beginning of the season....this is down as down can be now. I think he is still Nr.1 in his longterm involvements, but this is all down to beginning of next year.
At the moment I would not see a lot of marketing value on Ferraris side...

I would also be unhappy if I gave 100kk (and most likely more) for results worse than Carlos Sainz for 20kk

It is certainly not 100...that is the number with well exploited bonuses. I do not see bonuses here...

From the reports that I can find, Ferrari's company value jumped by $7 billion when Lewis was announced from $62 billion, to $69 billion. Currently they're valued at around £73 billion. There are also reports I found that HP signed their deal as a result of Ferrari singing Hamilton.

So arguably, from a purely business POV, he was worth it even given his poorer than expected on track performance.

[Badger]

From the reports that I can find, Ferrari's company value jumped by $7 billion when Lewis was announced from $62 billion, to $69 billion. Currently they're valued at around £73 billion. There are also reports I found that HP signed their deal as a result of Ferrari singing Hamilton.

So arguably, from a purely business POV, he was worth it even given his poorer than expected on track performance.

And it had nothing to do with F1.This is one of those urban legends that won't die because some people badly want it to be true within the F1 community

The Lewis signing leaked early on the morning of Feb 1st 2024, the stock didn't react to that news. Later in the afternoon that same day Ferrari announced their annual report for the FY 2023, which was a record breaking report with a big Q4 result. Record revenues, record profits, record margins, the whole nine yards. The second that report dropped the stock took off by like 10%. Mercedes Benz on the other hand, who didn't report anything that day (except the departure of Hamilton), didn't see a significant loss to their value at all. At best an urban legend, probably more accurately described as a hoax.

[ENGINE TUNER]

and with that double DNF, Ferrari has dropped to 4th in the constructors

That is the best place for them for more cfd and wind tunnel time for 2026. 2nd or 4th in wcc does not matter, only 1st matters.