2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Badger]

Are you just making stuff up? The 2023, 2024 and 2025 cars were improvements on the experimentations done in 2022.

They've barely improved, and starting from a very flawed car in 2022 some level of improvement was expected. For those who place great stock in the driver's role in development that would be an indictment on Lewis. Personally I don't think it had much to do with him, beyond the occasional distraction over his proposed solutions.

So you've twisted a calm, balanced conversation about how Ferrari should listen to it's 7xWDC to make it's team better, to Lewis sucks! He's slower than Leclerc and can't score a podium! He should shut up and drive the dog of the car that the team gives him!!

No, I disagreed with people who say that the team should just listen to Lewis. Looking at the current situation I don't think that is a wise strategy. He is weighing in on things outside of his circle of competence and nothing about his performance indicates that he's the guy you should be building around at this stage. Invest in Charles.

[SiLo]

Are you just making stuff up? The 2023, 2024 and 2025 cars were improvements on the experimentations done in 2022.

They've barely improved, and starting from a very flawed car in 2022 some level of improvement was expected. For those who place great stock in the driver's role in development that would be an indictment on Lewis. Personally I don't think it had much to do with him, beyond the occasional distraction over his proposed solutions.

So you've twisted a calm, balanced conversation about how Ferrari should listen to it's 7xWDC to make it's team better, to Lewis sucks! He's slower than Leclerc and can't score a podium! He should shut up and drive the dog of the car that the team gives him!!

No, I disagreed with people who say that the team should just listen to Lewis. Looking at the current situation I don't think that is a wise strategy. He is weighing in on things outside of his circle of competence and nothing about his performance indicates that he's the guy you should be building around at this stage. Invest in Charles.

Not sure how wise it is to wave away the experience of a 7 time world champ, who has won titled with two different team across multiple reg changes and is one of the most experienced drivers in the history of the sport.

[sucof]

Plain personal opinion:
As a person with an engineering mind, and who actually created many things in life and met people doing the same, I kinda sense when someone has the knowledge and or interest and or expertise in such fields. With Lewis, I never had the feeling he is such a type, never seen him actually talking about specific technological details... Rather I saw him a person who has its strength in being sensitive, and more like an artistic personality. Which can also produce a great driver, as driving is hugely about feel.
So while not questioning his driving abilities, my opinion is that he is not the type who understands the car really, or has a methodical mind, understanding what makes a great engineering team, car designing philosophy, or even which rule set requires which kinds of strength.
Hence he has a hard time to adapt. A driver who can understand those things, can change its driving style and adapt better.
People like Schumacher, or Verstappen, hence a better asset for a team to develop as a whole, as they have a more methodical mindset, hence they truly see how things around them is working, and can compare them, have meaningful suggestions. Lewis in my opinion is more of the driver who if gets a car that fits him, can be super quick, on par with the mentioned drivers, but if he does not, then the team is more in the dark.
Hence, I feel Ferrari, which truly needs a strong hand and a clear direction, benefited from the Michael era, alongside Todt and Brown. Hence I made my previous comment regarding Newey, and that they should have made even big sacrifices to get him and let themselves led by such a strong personality.
The current ideology at Ferrari, to have a team of many good people, is not something that fits their mentality, hence they are stuck hovering around position 2.

I mean this is true if you completely ignore the various interviews with mechanics and engineers who have worked with Hamilton at McLaren and Mercedes.

Yeah, I thought this argument will come up.
Well, have you heard any mechanic or engineer talk badly about a current driver before???
I mean, I hate ass kissing, but could you avoid it at all if you would be talking for the media about colleagues?
So I could never care for such interviews. At best, only, when they go to very specific things, when you know they only say those because they are truly believing the praise.

[littlebigcat]

Plain personal opinion:
As a person with an engineering mind, and who actually created many things in life and met people doing the same, I kinda sense when someone has the knowledge and or interest and or expertise in such fields. With Lewis, I never had the feeling he is such a type, never seen him actually talking about specific technological details... Rather I saw him a person who has its strength in being sensitive, and more like an artistic personality. Which can also produce a great driver, as driving is hugely about feel.
So while not questioning his driving abilities, my opinion is that he is not the type who understands the car really, or has a methodical mind, understanding what makes a great engineering team, car designing philosophy, or even which rule set requires which kinds of strength.
Hence he has a hard time to adapt. A driver who can understand those things, can change its driving style and adapt better.
People like Schumacher, or Verstappen, hence a better asset for a team to develop as a whole, as they have a more methodical mindset, hence they truly see how things around them is working, and can compare them, have meaningful suggestions. Lewis in my opinion is more of the driver who if gets a car that fits him, can be super quick, on par with the mentioned drivers, but if he does not, then the team is more in the dark.
Hence, I feel Ferrari, which truly needs a strong hand and a clear direction, benefited from the Michael era, alongside Todt and Brown. Hence I made my previous comment regarding Newey, and that they should have made even big sacrifices to get him and let themselves led by such a strong personality.
The current ideology at Ferrari, to have a team of many good people, is not something that fits their mentality, hence they are stuck hovering around position 2.

I mean this is true if you completely ignore the various interviews with mechanics and engineers who have worked with Hamilton at McLaren and Mercedes.

Yeah, I thought this argument will come up.
Well, have you heard any mechanic or engineer talk badly about a current driver before???
I mean, I hate ass kissing, but could you avoid it at all if you would be talking for the media about colleagues?
So I could never care for such interviews. At best, only, when they go to very specific things, when you know they only say those because they are truly believing the praise.

Right so you’re just saying because it doesn’t fit your own self created narrative you don’t want to listen to it and are actively discounting it? Doesn’t feel very “engineering mind” to me.

So you’re admitting you’ve not listened to, or are willing to count multiple statements covering multiple decades and rulesets in the sport, about Hamilton’s methodical approach to working with engineers to maximise what he can get out of the car? These statements all corroborate with each other so aren’t some form of “ass kissing”

[AR3-GP]

Is Las Vegas expected to suit Ferrari?

[Xyz22]

Is Las Vegas expected to suit Ferrari?

Not really. Mercedes and RB should be easily quicker here.

[littlebigcat]

Is Las Vegas expected to suit Ferrari?

Long straight so expect lift and coast half way down it

[ScuderiaLeo]

Hamilton complaining about a lot of understeer in S2

Leclerc seems to like the car more than usual for a FP1. He asked to do extra soft runs

They're also having some temperature imbalances

[venkyhere]

Hamilton complaining about a lot of understeer in S2

Leclerc seems to like the car more than usual for a FP1. He asked to do extra soft runs

They're also having some temperature imbalances

leClerc can live with a loose/light rear, Hamilton cannot - this won't change no matter what regulation cars they are driving.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Well, bye bye Leclerc's gearbox

Not sure what happened there but the communication was pretty funny. Leclerc told Bozzi he couldn't move. Bozzi told him to stay and wait. A minute later Bozzi tells him to try moving and Leclerc said "I just told you I can't move, what do you want me to do"

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Leclerc said he will be making some setup changes over night and hopefully it's a good compromise for the weekend. (I think he's talking about the weather possible) Otherwise he was happy with the car. But he thinks Mercedes will be much stronger so it'll be tough at the front.

Hamilton was also pleased and said he wouldn't be making many changes as he feels confident in what he had in FP2.

[deadhead]

There might be a few showers overnight but temperature wise the weather will remain about the same for both q and race so I like Hamilton’s approach of not changing the car much if he already likes it

[bluechris]

To me the Leclerc pace is strange. The car is the same and suddenly Leclerc can top the times? i know its FPs but what would had been Leclerc time in FP2 with soft's when with mediums was so close? they must have found something setup wise i think.

[search]

To me the Leclerc pace is strange. The car is the same and suddenly Leclerc can top the times? i know its FPs but what would had been Leclerc time in FP2 with soft's when with mediums was so close? they must have found something setup wise i think.

It's not a sudden improvement. Ferrari has always been very fast on (normal) Fridays recently:

ITA: FP1 1st, FP2 2nd
AZE: FP1 3rd, FP2 1st
SIN: FP1 1st
MEX: FP1 1st, FP2 2nd

So I don't think it means much. They just run a different program.

[Emag]

It hasn't been just practice sessions actually, I think they've been genuinely somewhat competitive lately. At least with Leclerc. A podium might have been on the cards at Interlagos as well had he not been taken out.

[sucof]

I mean this is true if you completely ignore the various interviews with mechanics and engineers who have worked with Hamilton at McLaren and Mercedes.

Yeah, I thought this argument will come up.
Well, have you heard any mechanic or engineer talk badly about a current driver before???
I mean, I hate ass kissing, but could you avoid it at all if you would be talking for the media about colleagues?
So I could never care for such interviews. At best, only, when they go to very specific things, when you know they only say those because they are truly believing the praise.

Right so you’re just saying because it doesn’t fit your own self created narrative you don’t want to listen to it and are actively discounting it? Doesn’t feel very “engineering mind” to me.

So you’re admitting you’ve not listened to, or are willing to count multiple statements covering multiple decades and rulesets in the sport, about Hamilton’s methodical approach to working with engineers to maximise what he can get out of the car? These statements all corroborate with each other so aren’t some form of “ass kissing”

Or, you can not understand the point I made, and you did not make any point, listed any facts or anything.
Contrary what you stated in your response, I had a clear argument, which you were not able to challenge. I think it is you who talk out of emotions here.