2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[ScuderiaLeo]

That list is missing Brazil last year.

There is some merit to questioning Leclerc's wet quali (at least compared to his dry) but Leclerc being worse at qualifying in the rain doesn't change the fact the team has much worse performance in wet conditions overall and have been struggling with that since the early 2010s. Long before Leclerc joined the team.

In Brazil last season, Sainz said the car was a "nightmare" to drive and that he considers himself strong in wet conditions despite his poor showing that season. Maybe he was correct to some extent since he qualified P3 today. He also complained during China 2024 and Austria 2023.

Vettel was very open about hating the Ferrari in the wet, there's plenty of quotes from him about it. Raikkonen did the same during those years to a lesser extent. Earlier in his second stint he said he doesn't understand why Ferrari has so many issues in the rain.

I don't know how many more drivers need to point it out. It's not far fetched to say a top team that hasn't won a rain race since 2012 is underperforming regardless of driver, they've had 6 different ones in this period..

[AR3-GP]

That list is missing Brazil last year.

There is some merit to questioning Leclerc's wet quali (at least compared to his dry) but Leclerc being worse at qualifying in the rain doesn't change the fact the team has much worse performance in wet conditions overall and have been struggling with that since the early 2010s. Long before Leclerc joined the team.

In Brazil last season, Sainz said the car was a "nightmare" to drive and that he considers himself strong in wet conditions despite his poor showing that season. Maybe he was correct to some extent since he qualified P3 today. He also complained during China 2024 and Austria 2023.

Vettel was very open about hating the Ferrari in the wet, there's plenty of quotes from him about it. Raikkonen did the same during those years to a lesser extent. Earlier in his second stint he said he doesn't understand why Ferrari has so many issues in the rain.

I don't know how many more drivers need to point it out. It's not far fetched to say a top team that hasn't won a rain race since 2012 is underperforming regardless of driver, they've had 6 different ones in this period..

Ferrari and its drivers don’t exist in a vacuum. If Hamilton and Verstappen (two of the outright best in these conditions) didn’t exist, Ferrari and the drivers that they had would have won some rain races. 2025 Hamilton is a ghost so you can’t really read anything into it.

It’s getting a bit embarassing to have a narrative that Ferrari “sucks in the rain since early 2010s”. Well I remember it looking pretty good when Schumacher and Alonso were there. Hmm…maybe there’s a connection…Ferrari simply hasn’t had drivers of that caliber in these conditions since Alonso left.

If Ferrari sucked in the rain, Vettel wouldn’t have been P2 in Germany 2019. Leclerc would have crashed at Monaco 2022, and neither would have done as well as they did in Turkey 2020. There are countless other examples to refute this.

[Xyz22]

Am I missing something? That car looks pretty normal for inters on a super low grip track. No major snaps in the medium and high speed, a bit of snaking in the low speed traction but that is to be expected. Not a car for pole with the Maccas around but definitely drivable.

Btw, look at Charles in turn 9, the corner where he struggles for traction. He takes too much speed into the apex which unsettles the rear, then he takes the normal dry line out wide on the exit and struggles a lot to find traction. I just watched Norris and Verstappen on their fastest laps, both take a tight line on the exit, staying 1,5-2 car widths away from the wall. Many cars did this actually throughout quali. Sometimes it's up to the driver to hunt the grip.

All drivers have been saying the same thing: the car is extremely unpredictable which increase the amount of mistakes made by the drivers.
Please go check previous rain affected qualifying sessions: Ferrari have always been absolutely garbage, even with Sainz (almost P2 today).

Last year Sainz crashed like a complete clown in Brazil.

My favourite one is still SPA 2021:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachment ... ormat=webp

Latifi ahead of Sainz and almost faster than both Ferraris. Leclerc 1.7s off Norris

Leclerc has been weaker against his teammates in wet conditions compared to the dry. Same car. This didn't happen with guys like Senna, Schumacher, Hamilton, Alonso, and Verstappen. I have tabulated the wet qualifying sessions here since 2019. If I'm bored enough I'll go through the wet races but you already know how bad it can get...Somethings always happening. You can't just handwave it away and say it's all Ferrari's fault. When you compare the wet and dry h2h, then you see he becomes very beatable in wet conditions. Hamilton is a ghost now. Leclerc wouldn't see which way he went in these conditions 10 years ago.

https://i.postimg.cc/MKxfZ3sf/image.png
*recalled to the best of my ability, feel free to point out mistakes.

Where in the blue hell did i say that Leclerc is as good in the wet as Schumacher? This chart is also borderline hilarious. Why is Baku 2025 flagged as wet? And why is there Canada 2022 where Leclerc had a penalty and didn't even set a lap in Q2? Oh god even Russia 2021

[AR3-GP]

All drivers have been saying the same thing: the car is extremely unpredictable which increase the amount of mistakes made by the drivers.
Please go check previous rain affected qualifying sessions: Ferrari have always been absolutely garbage, even with Sainz (almost P2 today).

Last year Sainz crashed like a complete clown in Brazil.

My favourite one is still SPA 2021:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachment ... ormat=webp

Latifi ahead of Sainz and almost faster than both Ferraris. Leclerc 1.7s off Norris

Leclerc has been weaker against his teammates in wet conditions compared to the dry. Same car. This didn't happen with guys like Senna, Schumacher, Hamilton, Alonso, and Verstappen. I have tabulated the wet qualifying sessions here since 2019. If I'm bored enough I'll go through the wet races but you already know how bad it can get...Somethings always happening. You can't just handwave it away and say it's all Ferrari's fault. When you compare the wet and dry h2h, then you see he becomes very beatable in wet conditions. Hamilton is a ghost now. Leclerc wouldn't see which way he went in these conditions 10 years ago.

https://i.postimg.cc/MKxfZ3sf/image.png
*recalled to the best of my ability, feel free to point out mistakes.

Where in the blue hell did i say that Leclerc is as good in the wet as Schumacher?

Well today seems to be all about “burn the witch” (Ferrari) in here, on social media, and from Leclerc himself, when maybe Leclerc could have done a better job and Hamilton is clearly suffering from something which doesn’t have much to do with Ferrari.

[Xyz22]

Leclerc has been weaker against his teammates in wet conditions compared to the dry. Same car. This didn't happen with guys like Senna, Schumacher, Hamilton, Alonso, and Verstappen. I have tabulated the wet qualifying sessions here since 2019. If I'm bored enough I'll go through the wet races but you already know how bad it can get...Somethings always happening. You can't just handwave it away and say it's all Ferrari's fault. When you compare the wet and dry h2h, then you see he becomes very beatable in wet conditions. Hamilton is a ghost now. Leclerc wouldn't see which way he went in these conditions 10 years ago.

https://i.postimg.cc/MKxfZ3sf/image.png
*recalled to the best of my ability, feel free to point out mistakes.

Where in the blue hell did i say that Leclerc is as good in the wet as Schumacher?

Well today seems to be all about “burn the witch” (Ferrari), when maybe Leclerc could have done a better job and Hamilton is clearly suffering from something which doesn’t have much to do with Ferrari.

Do you realize that someone else, by being 0.5s faster, would have still been 1.3s off pole despite a mediocre lap by Norris? While Leclerc is not the greatest of all time in the wet the main underlying issue is that the car is not good enough. This has been confirmed by Sainz and now Hamilton as well. So yeah it's not a suprise that the fans are saying the car is trash. It's the truth.

By the way the chart you posted is extremely misleading.

[AR3-GP]

Where in the blue hell did i say that Leclerc is as good in the wet as Schumacher?

Well today seems to be all about “burn the witch” (Ferrari), when maybe Leclerc could have done a better job and Hamilton is clearly suffering from something which doesn’t have much to do with Ferrari.

Do you realize that someone else, by being 0.5s faster, would have still been 1.3s off pole despite a mediocre lap by Norris? While Leclerc is not the greatest of all time in the wet the main underlying issue is that the car is not good enough. This has been confirmed by Sainz and now Hamilton as well. So yeah it's not a suprise that the fans are saying the car is trash. It's the truth.

Nobodies car is good enough. Norris should have had pole in excess of 1 second. However a top 5 result could be achieved with better driving imo. There’s a full second between pole and P5. It would have made a big difference to how today is perceived by Ferrari fans. So if the drivers own lack of performance is the difference between people calling Ferrari trash and not, then people are too harsh on Ferrari. No it’s not good enough but it’s not trash either. It’s only being called trash because Leclerc isnt the best in wet conditions and Hamilton is still in his bed in Monaco.

[Badger]

Lewis starting his penultimate lap in Q1. Twitter is blaming Adami.

[Emag]

Lewis starting his penultimate lap in Q1. Twitter is blaming Adami.

This looks really bad. I understand the conditions were bad with poor visibility and perhaps he was looking at something in the dash and lost track of where he was, but it's such an amateur mistake to make.

[Juzh]

Lewis starting his penultimate lap in Q1. Twitter is blaming Adami.

That was clumsy.

[venkyhere]

Amateur hour from 7xWDC.
2026 is going to be key, when the venturi tunnel cars are going to be replaced by 'old style' flat floor raked wedge cars - if he is still incompetent in 2026 relative to his teammate, I think he should swallow some pride and tell himself 'enough is enough, I am not god, I am human afterall, it's normal for abilities to wane' , and retire.

[Badger]

Lewis starting his penultimate lap in Q1. Twitter is blaming Adami.
https://twitter.com/F1BigData/status/19 ... 0476394609

This looks really bad. I understand the conditions were bad with poor visibility and perhaps he was looking at something in the dash and lost track of where he was, but it's such an amateur mistake to make.

There's also this on the next lap.

He clearly passes the control line before the red lights come on. Either he just threw in the towel or he doesn't know where the control line is (which is inconceivable for a driver that experienced). He's checked out mentally.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Do we have confirmation Hamilton is starting from the pit lane?

Amateur hour from 7xWDC.
2026 is going to be key, when the venturi tunnel cars are going to be replaced by 'old style' flat floor raked wedge cars - if he is still incompetent in 2026 relative to his teammate, I think he should swallow some pride and tell himself 'enough is enough, I am not god, I am human afterall, it's normal for abilities to wane' , and retire.

someone can correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know, his contract is a 2+1 so he was probably retiring in 2027 no matter what, short of getting the WDC. Doing poorly just means these 2 years will be agonizing rather than something to savor.

[Jambier]

I don't like Hamilton but:

- He never drove well that generation of car.
- He is still getting used to the team.

Yes. I know, for someone with 7 titles, not be flexible and adapt to any kind of cars or taking that long to get use to a team is not good.

But it is obvious that he will be faster next year.
Question is how much faster ?

2026 will change everything, peking orders between the teams, but also the way to drive the car, to manage energy etc.
So on drivers side also it will change a lot, so just wait and see

[f1isgood]

I don't like Hamilton but:

- He never drove well that generation of car.
- He is still getting used to the team.

Yes. I know, for someone with 7 titles, not be flexible and adapt to any kind of cars or taking that long to get use to a team is not good.

But it is obvious that he will be faster next year.
Question is how much faster ?

2026 will change everything, peking orders between the teams, but also the way to drive the car, to manage energy etc.
So on drivers side also it will change a lot, so just wait and see

Why is this obvious? Do people assume that drivers simply retain their pace with a certain type of car? I would be surprised if Hamilton actually gets any closer to Leclerc next year. I expect the gap to only widen. He's old and no one escapes father time. I always saw this move as purely commerical nothing to do with sporting itself.

[yooogurt]

doesn't change the fact the team has much worse performance in wet conditions overall and have been struggling with that since the early 2010s.

Is F1-75 handled wet poorly? especially before td39? wow.