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[f1isgood]

If there is any time for Yuki to figure s%&t out it's got to be now. He somehow has to find 0.500 in Quali and just hold the Mclarens back in Qatar. Cause Norris can finish P3 in every event now and clinch the title and that's what he will be aiming for. Also in Qatar a look out for Aston Martin is needed. They were fast in Hungary and track's somewhat similar. Max did win last year unexpectedly so lets see.

The RB20 was exceptional in tracks that had similar characteristics to Qatar. It was just bad in medium and slow speed and any track that asks for any degree of tradeoff between corners was a bad track for the RB20.

It was weird RB20 was so ass in sprint. It wasn't surprising they could win there last year. Even then it was only Max being on par with Lando before Lando's dumbest error of last year.

[Dee]

Mclaren have not been acting like Lando has this locked up for a while now..

For a team that just needs Lando to be P2 for the remainder of the races you would think that they would be chill.

Instead;

* They questioned RB's extra engine taken in Brazil
* Zak has been out in force calling Max's character into question in the media

and just a general feeling like they are not comfortable with their lead..

This Twitter user said they saw Mclaren using a very aggressive setup - ride height with Lando's car in Mexico https://x.com/Sedici_Ferrari/status/1992530386493063224

What if the lower ride height has been affecting the way the car drives and that is also why Oscar is struggling?

What if the Monza floor catapulted Max over Mclaren and they are overcompensating?

He had the measure of Lando and Oscar from Monza to Austin.

Max would have most likely won from P5/6 on the grid in Brazil if they had gone with it for qualifying.

He had the measure of Lando today with an illegal ride height.

Now we go to Qatar and Abu Dhabi with Max and RB with a new engine and a good floor/car.

And with Mclaren most likely having to rise the ride height for both cars to avoid risking DSQ's, will Ferrari and Mercedes come back into the mix now because of this?

Very interesting end to the season...

[f1isgood]

Mclaren have not been acting like Lando has this locked up for a while now..

For a team that just needs Lando to be P2 for the remainder of the races you would think that they would be chill.

Instead;

* They questioned RB's extra engine taken in Brazil
* Zak has been out in force calling Max's character into question in the media

and just a general feeling like they are not comfortable with their lead..

This Twitter user said they saw Mclaren using a very aggressive setup - ride height with Lando's car in Mexico https://x.com/Sedici_Ferrari/status/1992530386493063224

What if the lower ride height has been affecting the way the car drives and that is also why Oscar is struggling?

What if the Monza floor catapulted Max over Mclaren and they are overcompensating?

He had the measure of Lando and Oscar from Monza to Austin.

Max would have most likely won from P5/6 on the grid in Brazil if they had gone with it for qualifying.

He had the measure of Lando today with an illegal ride height.

Now we go to Qatar and Abu Dhabi with Max and RB with a new engine and a good floor/car.

And with Mclaren most likely having to rise the ride height for both cars to avoid risking DSQ's, will Ferrari and Mercedes come back into the mix now because of this?

Very interesting end to the season...

I think they are mismanaging the situation. If they had run the car a little higher, do you actually think they would have finished out of points? I feel like they gambled right in Vegas and it wasn't very lucky... If they cannot close it out at this point even, then they gambled at Vegas for the WDC and ruined.

Let's not forget that if Lando finishes ahead of Max/Oscar next race, it's over.

Also, to the Monza floor putting Red Bull above McLaren -- even then all they had to do was maximize points and minimze damage. Most damage is self inflicted and they seem to crumble any time Max is close.

[Henk_v]

If there is any time for Yuki to figure s%&t out it's got to be now. He somehow has to find 0.500 in Quali and just hold the Mclarens back in Qatar. Cause Norris can finish P3 in every event now and clinch the title and that's what he will be aiming for. Also in Qatar a look out for Aston Martin is needed. They were fast in Hungary and track's somewhat similar. Max did win last year unexpectedly so lets see.

Well, to me it surely looks like they gave yuki a new "party" engine and ran it very low today to preserve it for the next race. He will never beat Perez's '21 miracle, but I'm sure that is exactly what he is being asked to do now.*

I really hope MCL has lost their reference on the floor height after the TD and either go too conservative or mess up again. In that regard it's a shame next weekend is a sprint. They can afford to fumble a sprint race, but hey can not risk being below 5th in a main race, because that means verstappen wins WDC if he scores 1st places in all 3 races.

*it am sometimes a bit surprised Hadjar does not defend at all when he has the opportunity to block one of Max's rivals. Might he be instructed to explicitly avoid any "sistertream" actions?

[Bill]

If there is any time for Yuki to figure s%&t out it's got to be now. He somehow has to find 0.500 in Quali and just hold the Mclarens back in Qatar. Cause Norris can finish P3 in every event now and clinch the title and that's what he will be aiming for. Also in Qatar a look out for Aston Martin is needed. They were fast in Hungary and track's somewhat similar. Max did win last year unexpectedly so lets see.

Well, to me it surely looks like they gave yuki a new "party" engine and ran it very low today to preserve it for the next race. He will never beat Perez's '21 miracle, but I'm sure that is exactly what he is being asked to do now.*

I really hope MCL has lost their reference on the floor height after the TD and either go too conservative or mess up again. In that regard it's a shame next weekend is a sprint. They can afford to fumble a sprint race, but hey can not risk being below 5th in a main race, because that means verstappen wins WDC if he scores 1st places in all 3 races.

*it am sometimes a bit surprised Hadjar does not defend at all when he has the opportunity to block one of Max's rivals. Might he be instructed to explicitly avoid any "sistertream" actions?

If yuki is to play a role they need to start by giving him his old floor back not that failed Max experiment from mexico. They should also run proper tire pressures.the pitstop will also need to be fast not 10 seconds added to his time.he will also need to do proper racing not tire testing after lap 2.whatever happening with redbull and yuki is a mystery even he makes good starts they pit him and undo all of his work they do not want him to score points at all,f1 is hard but not that hard even in a vcarb he will easily score points.his pace was very fast on the straights but not corners because of that --- floor.

[f1isgood]

If there is any time for Yuki to figure s%&t out it's got to be now. He somehow has to find 0.500 in Quali and just hold the Mclarens back in Qatar. Cause Norris can finish P3 in every event now and clinch the title and that's what he will be aiming for. Also in Qatar a look out for Aston Martin is needed. They were fast in Hungary and track's somewhat similar. Max did win last year unexpectedly so lets see.

Well, to me it surely looks like they gave yuki a new "party" engine and ran it very low today to preserve it for the next race. He will never beat Perez's '21 miracle, but I'm sure that is exactly what he is being asked to do now.*

I really hope MCL has lost their reference on the floor height after the TD and either go too conservative or mess up again. In that regard it's a shame next weekend is a sprint. They can afford to fumble a sprint race, but hey can not risk being below 5th in a main race, because that means verstappen wins WDC if he scores 1st places in all 3 races.

*it am sometimes a bit surprised Hadjar does not defend at all when he has the opportunity to block one of Max's rivals. Might he be instructed to explicitly avoid any "sistertream" actions?

If yuki is to play a role they need to start by giving him his old floor back not that failed Max experiment from mexico. They should also run proper tire pressures.the pitstop will also need to be fast not 10 seconds added to his time.he will also need to do proper racing not tire testing after lap 2.whatever happening with redbull and yuki is a mystery even he makes good starts they pit him and undo all of his work they do not want him to score points at all,f1 is hard but not that hard even in a vcarb he will easily score points.his pace was very fast on the straights but not corners because of that --- floor.

Regarding tire pressures, I agree but do you have a source for the floor? And by the way, Yuki got the fastest pit today. Because with the Mexico floor, Max was very good in the race in Mexico - so while slower than the McLaren's it should have been good enough for plenty of points. I didn't follow the race, why was he in such a bad position?

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Regarding tire pressures, I agree but do you have a source for the floor? And by the way, Yuki got the fastest pit today. Because with the Mexico floor, Max was very good in the race in Mexico - so while slower than the McLaren's it should have been good enough for plenty of points. I didn't follow the race, why was he in such a bad position?

today it was all a bit odd indeed. They pitted him right after lap 1, from M to H, although everyone could see that a (V)CS was likely to come - which happened 30s later. Tsunoda called it "unfortunate", so it seems like he wasn't informed about it pre-race.

I see that they may want information about the hard tires Verstappen would only take later on, but why not start on them instead and at least give Tsunoda a chance to race? Instead, he basically got to start with a 20s handicap.

Later on when they pitted again, they gave Tsunoda the same Medium he started on one hour before, which made him furious on the radio. So apparently this wasn't discussed about before either.

[f1isgood]

Regarding tire pressures, I agree but do you have a source for the floor? And by the way, Yuki got the fastest pit today. Because with the Mexico floor, Max was very good in the race in Mexico - so while slower than the McLaren's it should have been good enough for plenty of points. I didn't follow the race, why was he in such a bad position?

today it was all a bit odd indeed. They pitted him right after lap 1, from M to H, although everyone could see that a (V)CS was likely to come - which happened 30s later. Tsunoda called it "unfortunate", so it seems like he wasn't informed about it pre-race.

I see that they may want information about the hard tires Verstappen would only take later on, but why not start on them instead and at least give Tsunoda a chance to race? Instead, he basically got to start with a 20s handicap.

Later on when they pitted again, they gave Tsunoda the same Medium he started on one hour before, which made him furious on the radio. So apparently this wasn't discussed about before either.

Thanks for the summary!

That sounds like an absolute clownshow on his side of the garage. What were they planning to do here? Even copying Hamilton's strategy might have given Yuki good points..... This won't help his confidence at all.....

[AR3-GP]

Regarding tire pressures, I agree but do you have a source for the floor? And by the way, Yuki got the fastest pit today. Because with the Mexico floor, Max was very good in the race in Mexico - so while slower than the McLaren's it should have been good enough for plenty of points. I didn't follow the race, why was he in such a bad position?

today it was all a bit odd indeed. They pitted him right after lap 1, from M to H, although everyone could see that a (V)CS was likely to come - which happened 30s later. Tsunoda called it "unfortunate", so it seems like he wasn't informed about it pre-race.

I see that they may want information about the hard tires Verstappen would only take later on, but why not start on them instead and at least give Tsunoda a chance to race? Instead, he basically got to start with a 20s handicap.

Later on when they pitted again, they gave Tsunoda the same Medium he started on one hour before, which made him furious on the radio. So apparently this wasn't discussed about before either.

Thanks for the summary!

That sounds like an absolute clownshow on his side of the garage. What were they planning to do here? Even copying Hamilton's strategy might have given Yuki good points..... This won't help his confidence at all.....

Mekies is on the pitwall and supports Yuki a lot. I'm sure they have their reasons. He was given a new PU, and he was given the fastest pitstop of the entire GP (1.99 seconds). He put himself in this position.

[venkyhere]

after round 15 : PIA 309 , NOR 275 , VER 205
after round 22 : PIA 366 , NOR 390 , VER 366
gain in 7 races: PIA 57 , NOR 115 , VER 161

If Norris finishes P3 in both races and P4 in the sprint, he wins WDC. So it's a long shot anyway

[pantherxxx]

Norris won't even get near the podium if they have to run the car higher. Just like how Ferrari performance disappeared after China sprint win.

[f1isgood]

today it was all a bit odd indeed. They pitted him right after lap 1, from M to H, although everyone could see that a (V)CS was likely to come - which happened 30s later. Tsunoda called it "unfortunate", so it seems like he wasn't informed about it pre-race.

I see that they may want information about the hard tires Verstappen would only take later on, but why not start on them instead and at least give Tsunoda a chance to race? Instead, he basically got to start with a 20s handicap.

Later on when they pitted again, they gave Tsunoda the same Medium he started on one hour before, which made him furious on the radio. So apparently this wasn't discussed about before either.

Thanks for the summary!

That sounds like an absolute clownshow on his side of the garage. What were they planning to do here? Even copying Hamilton's strategy might have given Yuki good points..... This won't help his confidence at all.....

Mekies is on the pitwall and supports Yuki a lot. I'm sure they have their reasons. He was given a new PU, and he was given the fastest pitstop of the entire GP (1.99 seconds). Quite frankly he should have scored points.

Oscar Piastri, the guy who won 7 races and led the championship till about two races ago while even snatching a win from Verstappen at Jeddah looks like a shell of himself after Monza.

I am not comparing Piastri to Tsunoda, but it's also a very confidence based sport. It looks like regardless of the pitstop everything else was an absolute shitshow though. It is good to be behind Max but it is also good to worry about the other driver when the other driver can get some points and confidence. I am not saying they are intentionally sabotaging Yuki like Bill says every weekend because it's preposterous.

All I am saying is they should do better than what they are doing right now which is certainly possible.

[Bill]

today it was all a bit odd indeed. They pitted him right after lap 1, from M to H, although everyone could see that a (V)CS was likely to come - which happened 30s later. Tsunoda called it "unfortunate", so it seems like he wasn't informed about it pre-race.

I see that they may want information about the hard tires Verstappen would only take later on, but why not start on them instead and at least give Tsunoda a chance to race? Instead, he basically got to start with a 20s handicap.

Later on when they pitted again, they gave Tsunoda the same Medium he started on one hour before, which made him furious on the radio. So apparently this wasn't discussed about before either.

Thanks for the summary!

That sounds like an absolute clownshow on his side of the garage. What were they planning to do here? Even copying Hamilton's strategy might have given Yuki good points..... This won't help his confidence at all.....

Mekies is on the pitwall and supports Yuki a lot. I'm sure they have their reasons. He was given a new PU, and he was given the fastest pitstop of the entire GP (1.99 seconds). He put himself in this position.

Max got knocked out of q1 in brazil with that floor and then yuki ran with that floor in brazil race.they didn't change his setup even though they knew it was wrong they changed it on Max car only.the long and short of it is they want yuki gone from redbull family and the machinations is done by brute force.he showed in Austin even with less than ideal front wing he can score easy points from lower stating position. Personally I blame honda the forced redbull hand to put yuki in that car lawson didn't have much preseason testing because of strange turbo failures that followed in practice sessions when season started. It's all politics.

[AR3-GP]

Max got knocked out of q1 in brazil with that floor and then yuki ran with that floor in brazil race.they didn't change his setup even though they knew it was wrong they changed it on Max car only.the long and short of it is they want yuki gone from redbull family and the machinations is done by brute force.he showed in Austin even with less than ideal front wing he can score easy points from lower stating position. Personally I blame honda the forced redbull hand to put yuki in that car lawson didn't have much preseason testing because of strange turbo failures that followed in practice sessions when season started. It's all politics.

So it is the fault of Red Bull AND Honda. Anybody but Yuki. Thank you for clarifying the issue for me.

Strange because just a day ago you were bragging about Yuki's performance in Mexico:

Its not suprising even in Mexico he was within 0.2 tenth of max on long runs on the medium,so on track were they are no high speed corners like Baku he can be closer to Max.but still we have to wait he still need to put every thing together the field is very close top 4 teams are on similar laptime.p8 worst case  may seem like bad result but putting everything into context is not bad.

So Yuki was still 2 tenths behind despite Max having your "--- floor", a flat spot from lap 1, a battle with Hamilton, and dirty air from bearman while Yuki had clean air? Interesting.

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Mekies is on the pitwall and supports Yuki a lot. I'm sure they have their reasons.

it looked like a pre-planed strategy to me, so yeah, I guess they had reasons. Maybe to get to test the hards in clean air.

But that strategy was obviously never going to be any good, so I would think it's normally something you tell your driver in advance then.