2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Farnborough]

This is what I said too. In particular, the drivers have spent the last 7 or so weekends ramping up the pressure and taking cheap shots at the team. Fans of team have been fueled by it to say less than flattering things...meanwhile the drivers were in on the decision to abandon the season? What is going on here?

Teams like Sauber, Racing Bulls, and others who know the car isn't good enough just get on with it. That's what the Ferrari drivers should have done. They know the decisions that were made behind the scenes and they know why they are slow. Why all the drama?

Even if they stopped development, how are the engineers so incapable of coming up with a set-up that works from one week to the next?

They deserve every ounce of crap they get from every single one of their fans!

This whole page about tire pressure answers that question. The team doesn't know in advance that Pirelli will change pressure and obviously increasing it affects the car badly.

It highlights how bad the suspension is though.

Its something that's tough to work with though, especially with the fine margin in pace difference of field currently. Its something of the opposite for MB and recently Williams, that they've benefitted from the raised pressure in this era.

Of the whole field though, two teams have got it more right than all the others.

This race SHOULD be more acceptable for Ferrari though, with lowered start pressure plus increase in camber allowance that may bring this chassis into better range.

[SiLo]

They saw Mclaren and just moved to 2026 development in April apparently.

It means absolutely nothing and RBR has proven that you can develop a car to the very end of the season right before a reg change and still fight at the top the following season. It’s not like they have better resources than Ferrari, right?

They also had probably the one guy in the entire paddock that you would want to make that kind of specific reg change. Ferrari were doing well until TD039 as well.

[dans79]

This whole page about tire pressure answers that question. The team doesn't know in advance that Pirelli will change pressure and obviously increasing it affects the car badly.

It highlights how bad the suspension is though.

Even if they don't know what the pressures will be ahead of time, by this point of the season they should have some idea how to mitigate/minimize the performance loss.

[FW17]

Lewis notebook is a bigger joke than Ted's

[Farnborough]

This whole page about tire pressure answers that question. The team doesn't know in advance that Pirelli will change pressure and obviously increasing it affects the car badly.

It highlights how bad the suspension is though.

Even if they don't know what the pressures will be ahead of time, by this point of the season they should have some idea how to mitigate/minimize the performance loss.

Its not just about setup though, as much about core concept of suspension kinematics that can work with these tyres.

Two designers stand out in thus respect by laying out their first iteration of suspension for this era, AN & James Key, in my view. Those two core platform .... in suspension.... holding superiority in their design and potential for refinement.

This 18" era was always going to demand very specific approach to hold the tyres in optimum performance envelope. Those two hit the bullseye. I don't feel that's by accident, much more knowledge and deeper understanding.

The 18" raises weight, even with the lightest wheel, demands the lightest tyre in attempt to keep the whole assembly in reasonable range, which has penalties that any tyre manufacturer would struggle with.
Used to their finite limits, as that's what F1 demands, they show an expected characteristic. Along with the need to shift pressure in response to track dynamics, fully illustrates how close they are in margins. These are symptoms of F1 demanding to go with this size.
Shifting the pressure out of necessity, to contain failure potential, then shift the tyre component to such a degree that most chassis dynamic can't accommodate this fully.
We can all see the one's that can, and clearly observe those that just haven't the band width in original concept and construction that can't.

[venkyhere]

This whole page about tire pressure answers that question. The team doesn't know in advance that Pirelli will change pressure and obviously increasing it affects the car badly.

It highlights how bad the suspension is though.

Even if they don't know what the pressures will be ahead of time, by this point of the season they should have some idea how to mitigate/minimize the performance loss.

Its not just about setup though, as much about core concept of suspension kinematics that can work with these tyres.

Two designers stand out in thus respect by laying out their first iteration of suspension for this era, AN & James Key, in my view. Those two core platform .... in suspension.... holding superiority in their design and potential for refinement.

Wasn't James Key fired as part of team restructuring ? The grapevine is that it was only after they got Inputs from Rob Marshall, that McLaren sorted out their kinematics.

This 18" era was always going to demand very specific approach to hold the tyres in optimum performance envelope. Those two hit the bullseye. I don't feel that's by accident, much more knowledge and deeper understanding.

The 18" raises weight, even with the lightest wheel, demands the lightest tyre in attempt to keep the whole assembly in reasonable range, which has penalties that any tyre manufacturer would struggle with.
Used to their finite limits, as that's what F1 demands, they show an expected characteristic. Along with the need to shift pressure in response to track dynamics, fully illustrates how close they are in margins. These are symptoms of F1 demanding to go with this size.
Shifting the pressure out of necessity, to contain failure potential, then shift the tyre component to such a degree that most chassis dynamic can't accommodate this fully.
We can all see the one's that can, and clearly observe those that just haven't the band width in original concept and construction that can't.

Considering that 13-inch -> 18-inch change was made to reduce sidewall in the interest of 'travel reduction' inorder to help ground effect, and despite all the 'domino effect' detriments that came with it :
- more unsprung mass leading to beefier and heavier suspension components, increasing sprung mass afterall
- more rotational inertia, slowing down acceleration with the same set of engines as previous era
- less squidgy tyres, reducing quality of contact patch in slow corners where there is no aero loading
we have seen many lap records break (trouncing the W11 mostly) towards the end of this ground effect era (even if some if it can be attributed to track improvements like resurfacing & kerb grinding) , which is a great testimony to the engineering talent within the teams. Yes, there is more downforce and fast corners are even faster due to the higher aero load in the ground effect era, but we know that a large chunk of laptime sits in the slow corners because the tracks haven't changed.

[Farnborough]

Even if they don't know what the pressures will be ahead of time, by this point of the season they should have some idea how to mitigate/minimize the performance loss.

Its not just about setup though, as much about core concept of suspension kinematics that can work with these tyres.

Two designers stand out in thus respect by laying out their first iteration of suspension for this era, AN & James Key, in my view. Those two core platform .... in suspension.... holding superiority in their design and potential for refinement.

Wasn't James Key fired as part of team restructuring ? The grapevine is that it was only after they got Inputs from Rob Marshall, that McLaren sorted out their kinematics.

This 18" era was always going to demand very specific approach to hold the tyres in optimum performance envelope. Those two hit the bullseye. I don't feel that's by accident, much more knowledge and deeper understanding.

The 18" raises weight, even with the lightest wheel, demands the lightest tyre in attempt to keep the whole assembly in reasonable range, which has penalties that any tyre manufacturer would struggle with.
Used to their finite limits, as that's what F1 demands, they show an expected characteristic. Along with the need to shift pressure in response to track dynamics, fully illustrates how close they are in margins. These are symptoms of F1 demanding to go with this size.
Shifting the pressure out of necessity, to contain failure potential, then shift the tyre component to such a degree that most chassis dynamic can't accommodate this fully.
We can all see the one's that can, and clearly observe those that just haven't the band width in original concept and construction that can't.

Considering that 13-inch -> 18-inch change was made to reduce sidewall in the interest of 'travel reduction' inorder to help ground effect, and despite all the 'domino effect' detriments that came with it :
- more unsprung mass leading to beefier and heavier suspension components, increasing sprung mass afterall
- more rotational inertia, slowing down acceleration with the same set of engines as previous era
- less squidgy tyres, reducing quality of contact patch in slow corners where there is no aero loading
we have seen many lap records break (trouncing the W11 mostly) towards the end of this ground effect era (even if some if it can be attributed to track improvements like resurfacing & kerb grinding) , which is a great testimony to the engineering talent within the teams. Yes, there is more downforce and fast corners are even faster due to the higher aero load in the ground effect era, but we know that a large chunk of laptime sits in the slow corners because the tracks haven't changed.

He gave the direction with original concept, later to be developed. As to how it developed, I don't think that's clear in public history, and who was ultimately responsible. Ultimately, those two picked the concept and layout the others didn't. Foresight I'd say and none of them as competent/competitive over this era in its entirety.

I understand he was also in that development of high and inward mounting top knuckle of front suspension that Mercedes adopted to significant success prior to this era. Could be amiss, but that's what I understood at that time..

The 18 were acknowledged at v-high peak but difficult to keep them there, or zone into that for the uninitiated or lacking extreme focus on this aspect as vital to platform.

[Badger]

Lewis notebook is a bigger joke than Ted's

Imagine if this nightmare continues in 2026, what a distraction...

I read a rumour they just iced the "F44" supercar project, the car Lewis demanded from Ferrari.

[FW17]

Lewis notebook is a bigger joke than Ted's

Imagine if this nightmare continues in 2026, what a distraction...

I read a rumour they just iced the "F44" supercar project, the car Lewis demanded from Ferrari.

I think he will walk away this winter.

[PlatinumZealot]

He just declared he's on for 2026 especially that the ground effect regulations will be gone. If Ferrari really listen to him, and all that knowledge from the Mercedes dominant era I see now reason why they can't dominate in 2nd half of 2026. Let's face it, Charles is a great driver but he doesn't know what a dominant car is supposed to feel like, and Fred doesn't know how to manage a dominant team. I hope Loic Sera proves his worth too with his Mercedes knowledge. If either of these three falter in 2026 they should all be fired.

[Badger]

He just declared he's on for 2026 especially that the ground effect regulations will be gone. If Ferrari really listen to him, and all that knowledge from the Mercedes dominant era I see now reason why they can't dominate in 2nd half of 2026. Let's face it, Charles is a great driver but he doesn't know what a dominant car is supposed to feel like, and Fred doesn't know how to manage a dominant team. I hope Loic Sera proves his worth too with his Mercedes knowledge. If either of these three falter in 2026 they should all be fired.

He has just come away from 3 seasons at Mercedes where this supposed knowledge didn't yield any results. If he couldn't make it work at Mercedes where he was completely integrated and respected he stands little chance of doing it for Ferrari. Speaking of Ferrari, they were more competitive than Mercedes from 2022-2024, so why should they be taking lessons from Hamilton on how to win? They've gone from nearly winning last year to getting progressively worse across 2025 at the same time as Hamilton has tried to influence the team. It points towards him being a liability.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Yes, Leclerc should definitely be one of the first people fired

My hope for 2026 has nothing to do with the car anymore. It's that people will start being more sane in this thread and stop calling for the driver's heads for any little mistake. But maybe I'm wrong and the drivers are the only thing wrong with the team We'll find out in 2027 at this rate.

Anyways as one could guess, Leclerc and Hamilton will split time in the modified 2025 car for the post-season test. I am surprised Beganovic is taking the standard car and not somebody else however



Also, Hamilton will be sitting out FP1 this GP for the rookie session fulfillment.

[venkyhere]

Will Hamilton get out of Q1 this weekend ? I think he would, will get to Q3, and qualify P7/P8.
Reason - car will work better on a mixed corner track with an S2 made up of only straights (and a chicace) , with lower tyre pressures, and with three FP sessions.
I also think LeClerc is going to be the dark horse this weekend, and will play a decisive role in the WDC title.

[Hammerfist]

Just have a feeling lando wont close the deal. If the ferraris dont get in the mix because they are too slow the mercs probably will. So the podium isnt going to be a cakewalk for lando. Ill be impressed if he puts it on pole and wins the race. It would add some much needed value to his rather inconsistent championship campaign.

[Hammerfist]

He just declared he's on for 2026 especially that the ground effect regulations will be gone. If Ferrari really listen to him, and all that knowledge from the Mercedes dominant era I see now reason why they can't dominate in 2nd half of 2026. Let's face it, Charles is a great driver but he doesn't know what a dominant car is supposed to feel like, and Fred doesn't know how to manage a dominant team. I hope Loic Sera proves his worth too with his Mercedes knowledge. If either of these three falter in 2026 they should all be fired.

He has just come away from 3 seasons at Mercedes where this supposed knowledge didn't yield any results. If he couldn't make it work at Mercedes where he was completely integrated and respected he stands little chance of doing it for Ferrari. Speaking of Ferrari, they were more competitive than Mercedes from 2022-2024, so why should they be taking lessons from Hamilton on how to win? They've gone from nearly winning last year to getting progressively worse across 2025 at the same time as Hamilton has tried to influence the team. It points towards him being a liability.

Yeah im afraid it wont matter at all. Ony a great strike of luck will save ferrari next year. Have they somehow managed to find that silver bullet or not. Time will tell. As far as lewis goes, if the car happens to be good he still has to outperform charles. I dont have much confidence he will do that and im a fan.