I think the chassis team recovered well but the simulation and correlation technology is a disaster. I also think the chassis won't be a problem next year, but don't trust privateer engine manufacturers and this will be an engine formula for the first 2-3 years. What is the incentive for RB GBmh to continuing investing almost 100 million dollars a season to develop engines with no profit margin, not tech transfer to a wider automotive business, and potentially even more to catchup if they are behind. This is a shareholder motivated business now. I just don't trust the long-term longevity of a privateer engine manufacturers. If you can buy an engine supply for 15 million a year and have a very good PU, why would you spend 100 million a year if you are not an auto manufacturer. Someone else is going to reach the same conclusion soon.f1isgood wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025, 22:34
But I think the technical team had a real test and they did okay, but not good enough, without Newey and Marshall in the team. That said, they had to undo a lot of things so it's also unclear how limited they were when it came to taking risks with this car which I think as vorticism said elsewhere is RB20B and not RB21.
I generally feel positive about the chassis side of things as this team should be able to do okay for next year. The engine side also sounded promising but that's some challenge. A lot of things have to work next year.
Re 1. Yep. They need 3 hours to get the car in a good window.AR3-GP wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025, 22:40I think the chassis team recovered well but the simulation and correlation technology is a disaster. I also think the chassis won't be a problem next year, but don't trust privateer engine manufacturers. What is the incentive for RB GBmh to continuing investing millions of dollars with no profit margin and no technology application for the PUs (unlike the team side). I just don't trust the long-term longevity of a privateer engine manufacturer.f1isgood wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025, 22:34
But I think the technical team had a real test and they did okay, but not good enough, without Newey and Marshall in the team. That said, they had to undo a lot of things so it's also unclear how limited they were when it came to taking risks with this car which I think as vorticism said elsewhere is RB20B and not RB21.
I generally feel positive about the chassis side of things as this team should be able to do okay for next year. The engine side also sounded promising but that's some challenge. A lot of things have to work next year.
It's sad that it'll go down in the history as the same fate as SV, who could only win in a Newey designed car.
He won 8 races this year, proving that even without a Newey-designed car, he can win the most races in a season. Vettel was beaten by Leclerc with the same machinery—who will do that to Verstappen? No one.
You mean apart from Ricciardo beating Verstappen twice in the same machinery.pantherxxx wrote: ↑08 Dec 2025, 01:49He won 8 races this year, proving that even without a Newey-designed car, he can win the most races in a season. Vettel was beaten by Leclerc with the same machinery—who will do that to Verstappen? No one.
Verstappen got 421 points, just 2 away from the title, while his teammate had 33 points total in 17th place overall after 24 race weekends and having getting 'promoted' to a better car early in the season.
Beaten who? A teenager? He was only 19 years old in 2017. Then in 2018, he wiped the floor with Ricciardo while still only 20.Raleigh wrote: ↑08 Dec 2025, 02:03You mean apart from Ricciardo beating Verstappen twice in the same machinery.pantherxxx wrote: ↑08 Dec 2025, 01:49He won 8 races this year, proving that even without a Newey-designed car, he can win the most races in a season. Vettel was beaten by Leclerc with the same machinery—who will do that to Verstappen? No one.
