Look at your words: "dangerous", "blindly", "demand".... are you aware that this is just a sport, something that should be just fun?edu2703 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2025, 17:52Excuse me, but this sounds like cope or accepting mediocrity.sucof wrote: ↑08 Dec 2025, 15:39To all those who endlessly bashing this years car:
Without stepping back and looking things in perspective you can not judge anything fairly.
Ferrari was most of this year the the team with the second most points!!
What is a bad car? Which is at the back of the field constantly.
To me this is anything but a terrible car....
I believe them that the car had one flaw that was baked in for the whole season. Yet they managed to be second for a long time and they are close 4th.
Sorry but realistically means, they can build a great car. Just pure logic...
They screwed up with one thing.
Also, they went to experiment this year, trying new solutions, which is risky, and they admitted that.
But this also great for their future. If they learned enough, and will have the same team creating their 2026 car, they can be easily around the top cars.
And while most Ferrari fans can not accept less than winning, I am happy if they are close to the top fighting.
Please, try to think more sanely, realistically. Overall they did a great job, and I hope they will improve a bit for 2026.
Remember, there are more than 1000 people working in the Ferrari factories, who work their hearts out. Most of them I am sure do a great job.
If you come here and continuously talk crap about their product, you have no respect, not just for them but usually for noone in general.
This is a sport. Let them do their thing, and enjoy the great moments, stay respectful and appreciative.
Ferrari this year probably had the most talented driver pairing on the entire grid. And for a factory team of Ferrari's stature, having a driver pairing like that, it's obvious that nothing less than victories should be accepted.
Verstappen alone scored more points than Ferrari. And we were even surpassed by Mercedes, which had a rookie. How can you analyze this and say that Ferrari did well this year?
I think this kind of attitude is dangerous, thinking that, as fans, we should be grateful for everything Ferrari does and blindly support the team. Fans should always demand good results from the team, always recognizing Ferrari's greatness. Ferrari doesn't lack money, structure, or talented drivers. Therefore, questioning why we're not even fighting for wins is always valid. This year we were surpassed in some races by teams that years ago were fighting for the last positions on the grid, teams with a much smaller structure than Ferrari.
Expectations were extremely high this year. We almost won the WCC in 2024, and with a multi-champion driver like Hamilton, the bare minimum expected was to fight for wins. We finished the season without wins, with 7 podiums and 1 pole achieved through Leclerc's sheer effort, an unstable car reminiscent of the F14T, and being eliminated in Q1. Trying to portray all this as something positive is, in my opinion, a bad joke.
George's deal is only confirmed through 2026. Who knows where Williams or Alpine will be at the end of 2026? Will Norris/Piastri survive another season of "papaya rules"? With Ferrari-tinted glasses, Leclerc is top 2-3 in the Paddock, I think he would have options. (Tier 1 Max; Tier 2 Leclerc, George; Tier 3 Norris, Piastri, Hamilton, Alonso, Sainz (maybe))Matt2725 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2025, 17:56Make a decision for where though? If George is fulfilling his performance obligations, then his seat is guaranteed for 2027 per Mercedes themselves. So if Max wants a seat, then he'll get the other Merc seat assuming Kimi hasn't improved as expected.Space-heat wrote: ↑08 Dec 2025, 12:50I think if the Merc engine is really dominating in 2026, Charles has to make a decision for 2027. The only issue is that Max will also be moving. I'll always support Ferrari, but I'd like Charles to have the chance to fight for a title similar to Piastri, Lando and Max this year.F1NAC wrote: ↑08 Dec 2025, 10:35
Definitely as a non champ he cemented his status in Ferrari as a legend. Besides Schumi, there is no other driver that showed love to this team as he is. Driving shitbox after shitbox and he still preforms. I know Ferrari didn’t always produced shitbox but since 2019 there were more shitboxes than challengers for championship
This guy does not need championship to have street named after him.
Neither McLaren driver will want to walk away from a Merc engined car if it's as good as they expect. So he has Williams or Alpine. Neither of whom we can expect will beat Merc or McLaren any time soon unless they pull a blinder in 2026.
Zero chance of that happening, and even if it would then there is no token nonsense this time around so teams can catch up a lot faster.Space-heat wrote: ↑09 Dec 2025, 21:41George's deal is only confirmed through 2026. Who knows where Williams or Alpine will be at the end of 2026? Will Norris/Piastri survive another season of "papaya rules"? With Ferrari-tinted glasses, Leclerc is top 2-3 in the Paddock, I think he would have options. (Tier 1 Max; Tier 2 Leclerc, George; Tier 3 Norris, Piastri, Hamilton, Alonso, Sainz (maybe))Matt2725 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2025, 17:56Make a decision for where though? If George is fulfilling his performance obligations, then his seat is guaranteed for 2027 per Mercedes themselves. So if Max wants a seat, then he'll get the other Merc seat assuming Kimi hasn't improved as expected.Space-heat wrote: ↑08 Dec 2025, 12:50
I think if the Merc engine is really dominating in 2026, Charles has to make a decision for 2027. The only issue is that Max will also be moving. I'll always support Ferrari, but I'd like Charles to have the chance to fight for a title similar to Piastri, Lando and Max this year.
Neither McLaren driver will want to walk away from a Merc engined car if it's as good as they expect. So he has Williams or Alpine. Neither of whom we can expect will beat Merc or McLaren any time soon unless they pull a blinder in 2026.
If Merc lock in a similar engine advantage to 2014, then Williams or Alpine are possible. I don't know what would make Charles think Ferrari can fix the engine and then also deliver a car...happy to be wrong.
There's a budget cap and there's also a financial penalty for taking new parts during the season even for reliability reasons. It's not a fool proof regulation set.
If he is not in the car in 2027 I will be shocked.
halfway through 2026
Teams always take new engine parts during the season, but now if they are sufficiently far behind they will be allowed to take new specification engine parts in season.
Man I dunno how to tell you this but...Russell (or anyone else for that matter) is getting a boot if Max becomes available. Now, I suspect Mercedes wants to see 2026 showdown between Russell and Antonelli, if Russell beats him in similar fashion and Max is available I expect Russell/Max pairing in Mercedes. If Antonelli so much as comes close to Russell, I think Russell is going to have to search for a seat if Max becomes available (he will be more expensive, harsher as a team player to Max and older then Antonelli)Matt2725 wrote: ↑08 Dec 2025, 17:56Make a decision for where though? If George is fulfilling his performance obligations, then his seat is guaranteed for 2027 per Mercedes themselves. So if Max wants a seat, then he'll get the other Merc seat assuming Kimi hasn't improved as expected.Space-heat wrote: ↑08 Dec 2025, 12:50I think if the Merc engine is really dominating in 2026, Charles has to make a decision for 2027. The only issue is that Max will also be moving. I'll always support Ferrari, but I'd like Charles to have the chance to fight for a title similar to Piastri, Lando and Max this year.F1NAC wrote: ↑08 Dec 2025, 10:35
Definitely as a non champ he cemented his status in Ferrari as a legend. Besides Schumi, there is no other driver that showed love to this team as he is. Driving shitbox after shitbox and he still preforms. I know Ferrari didn’t always produced shitbox but since 2019 there were more shitboxes than challengers for championship
This guy does not need championship to have street named after him.
Neither McLaren driver will want to walk away from a Merc engined car if it's as good as they expect. So he has Williams or Alpine. Neither of whom we can expect will beat Merc or McLaren any time soon unless they pull a blinder in 2026.
Besides that, no use in spending money on aero/chassis if your PU is down 100BHP... I think if a team has any significant advantage it will be more like a Brawn 2009 season than a Mercedes 2014-2020 era (funnily enough its the same team, I see the irony in my post).Badger wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025, 17:47Teams always take new engine parts during the season, but now if they are sufficiently far behind they will be allowed to take new specification engine parts in season.
I can only imagine the third team being Audi. Hulkenberg might retire soon, Leclerc would be an excellent choice to lead a long-term project for the team, and they have the money to hire him. It would be funny to see Leclerc working with Mattia Binotto again.ScuderiaLeo wrote: ↑10 Dec 2025, 17:35According to Autoracer, 3 teams actively want Leclerc for a potential move. (That they know of) One is AM which is public knowledge, Duchessa hinted another is RBR, not sure what the third might be
Edit: Want to be clear about the Hamilton part of this article because it's being spread on X. The reason why Leclerc has "options" but Hamilton doesn't is because Hamilton doesn't have an exit clause like Leclerc does.