2026 Drama: Alleged engine loophole

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AR3-GP wrote:
27 Dec 2025, 23:25
dialtone wrote:
27 Dec 2025, 20:19
This whole thing doesn’t make much sense to me either. F1 engines are usually around 80-100C to be turned on without seizing.
myth.

As illustrated here, the reason for warming are ASSUMED to be "seized" type interpretation, when there's far more nuance and practical reason to warm first. Undoubtedly, for engines that need to be considered for power and lifing at their peak, its a prudent strategy to warm and carry out valid system checks prior to use in helping to correct anomalies trackside rather than producing an uncertain result when out of the pit box.

Many envision "seized" to be piston clearance, when the majority of engines have the piston ultimately expand more than the bore and risking seizing from too much heat, not cold.
Many production engines use low expansion metallurgy focus in production of pistons to achieve closer cold status clearance with bore, but not raising risk of hot seizure.

More performance orientated piston metallurgy heads towards durability under extreme combustion demand, while accepting "loose" tolerance to bore when cold. There's room to grow that piston, in other words, and still avoid hot derived interference fit under maximum demand within usage cycle. This more typically used in competition engines.
-----THIS COULD BE IMPORTANT IN THIS TOPIC----- We'll come back to it, and the "Ambient" role in this.

IF ---- the designers were now to make a PU with geometric 18:1 design, that at the exact 1600cc (base on the machined bore and combustion surfaces) then it can be seen that the rules would be infringed -----from that design geometry when comparing the volume inside the cylinder divided into the volume left inside the combustion chamber at TDC. indisputable we can all see.
BUT ----- and its a big one, if mercedes have seen in the inspection wording and method that calculations COULD be different , that may be inside the rules. To judge this would need exact method of inspection and the precise wording to extend our view and assessment of potential.
It's possible they've made use of the piston being smaller than the bore (see statement above) to "argue" that the swept volume is that of the piston, and not the bore diameter. Which would produce a lower recognised geometric compression ratio ----- at ambient temperature------ which brought the geometric calculations to inside the 16:1 ratio specified within the rules. An interpretation of the words published by the FIA in other words.

The bores are designed specifically not to have great expansion, that to increase accuracy and power potential. The piston usually MUST accommodate that design ideal to function at full deployment, by being smaller and by the margin that is driven by favouring durability over expansion characteristics in the alloying mix /design used.

Whether the check on ratio ever happens at track is another question. If it were FIA inspection of components and detailed measurements going into build is an important part to understand. If they looked at the the design and actually measured prior to build, then to enact the phrase "at all times adhere to the rules" would then provision the exclusion of a competitor IF an engine where to be sealed and stripped after racing, would be interesting to know.
Are they regularly testing trackside or not is important. We don't know enough here to be definitive.

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Effectively, the above projection would give the discrepancy volume between piston and bore, multiplied by each part of a millimetre of stroke as it travels up the bore ...... ultimately to give a "notional" geometric ratio that complies with rules directive ..... but only at ambient piston size.

If all of the running/proof/power/durability etc planning and testing in dyno run is carried out under that interpretation, then the final engine would realise the benefits of that work.

Where as, each of the other PU manufacturers would have to return to R&D process logically to use the same method of determination and hence development along with proofing.

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Rodak wrote:
26 Dec 2025, 18:41
PlatinumZealot wrote:
26 Dec 2025, 17:20
All engines since the first engine extisted have been measured at static compression ratios at room temperature.

That is what the rule states.

The compression ratio has limiting returns in the knock-sensitive formula. The highest may not be the best. But anywy we can examine even if your expansion is high you can't just use any alloy for the pistons..

Thermal expansion coeeficients of some metals and alloys:

Common Metals & Alloys (Approx. x10⁻⁶ /°C)
Aluminum: ~23.1
Copper: ~16.5
Iron (Pure/Forged): ~11.8
Steel (Stainless Austenitic): ~17.3
Lead: ~28.9
Silver: ~18.9
Titanium: ~8.6
Tungsten: ~4.5
Zinc: ~30.2


Low Expansion Alloys
Invar (Iron-Nickel): ~1.2 (very low)
Molybdenum: ~4.8
Platinum: ~8.8


High Expansion Metals & Alloys
Lithium: ~46
Plutonium: ~46.7
Potassium: ~83
Magnesium: ~24.8

Plutonium pistons perhaps? The metal is banned and it would be heavy as hell! Lol
teams may already use some amount of Magnesium in the Aluminum alloy... Forged Aluminum pistons are well known to expand a bit.

There is an A319 alloy which uses 0.06% Potassium for wear characteristics but not sure if it has other good properties to use as a piston or part of a piston (or connecting rod for that matter) or if the thermal expansions is imporved. Standard A319 starts about 21um/m cte.

I would rule out any trick by using a special alloy. In fact this rumour is a damp squib to me.
All good and well, except that the 2026 Technical Regulations specify the alloy used for pistons:
15.8.1 Pistons must be produced from one of the following iron-based alloys: AMS 6487, 15cdv6,
42CrMo4, X38CrMoV5-3.

Great!

So this pretty much rules out any talk of expanding parts. The piston is the only thing inside the cylinder that could expand enough to take away enough volume, so knowing that that CTE of the above materials is low, this is ruled out.

The idea of variable throw or lengthening connecting rods is banned by the rules and materiam contraints as well, I believe.

Techincally all of this compression and hence expansion ratio talk is a big waste of time as there is alreadu a large turbo there to make use of the remaining gas expansion.

I don't know if the teams are allowed to use e-boost on the turbos for 2026?
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The easy part is to exploit the loopholes and produce a more powerful engine. The difficult part is to ensure its reliability and durability. For these reasons I think Merc should have an advantage over RBR

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Tommy Cookers wrote:
27 Dec 2025, 19:37
FDD wrote:
26 Dec 2025, 01:15
Materials that can be used:
15.8.3 Connecting rods: “Connecting rods shall be manufactured from iron or titanium-based alloys and shall be machined from a single piece of material without welded or joined assemblies…”
15.8.4 Crankshaft: “Crankshafts shall be manufactured from an iron-based alloy.”
how are these rules ?
eg what constitutes iron-based - and what doesn't ?
what constitutes titanium-based - and what doesn't ?

can the FIA even write a sentence in English ?
eg is it 'iron or titanium-based alloys' ? or is it 'iron-based alloys or titanium-based alloys' ?
Every alloy has its code (as I wrote), so they are precisely defind for sure.
About the English, I'm sorry not my native, I can't comment on that. Also, maybe I made some mistakes in my writing.
However You can check the Rulebook.

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If you take a U-shaped section and heat the outside, the gap of the U will close because of the thermal expansion of the outside of the U.

If you make a bellow in the block between cilinder head and crankshaft, you could create a similar effect, shortening the distance between head and shaft.

The problem is that you will effectively create a spring in a place where you want maximum stiffness

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Farnborough wrote:
28 Dec 2025, 14:34
It's possible they've made use of the piston being smaller than the bore (see statement above) to "argue" that the swept volume is that of the piston, and not the bore diameter. Which would produce a lower recognised geometric compression ratio ----- at ambient temperature------ which brought the geometric calculations to inside the 16:1 ratio specified within the rules. An interpretation of the words published by the FIA in other words.
The piston rings are part of the piston so ultimately it is the bore that defines the swept volume and the cubic capacity of the engine. If the piston could expand by 1mm in diameter (generous) within a bore the expands only by 0.2mm (non-interference is assumed at both ambient and operating temperature), the compression ratio and cubic capacity will remain the same within the orders of magnitude that we’re concerned about with here. Even if you had extreme, science-fiction piston diametrical changes, the CR and cu capacity would still be defined by the bore, because of the piston rings. That said, I don’t think alteration of the CR is the trick at play here, whether achieved by TE or not.
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FDD wrote:
28 Dec 2025, 19:30
Tommy Cookers wrote:
27 Dec 2025, 19:37
FDD wrote:
26 Dec 2025, 01:15
Materials that can be used:
15.8.3 Connecting rods: “Connecting rods shall be manufactured from iron or titanium-based alloys and shall be machined from a single piece of material without welded or joined assemblies…”
15.8.4 Crankshaft: “Crankshafts shall be manufactured from an iron-based alloy.”
how are these rules ?
eg what constitutes iron-based - and what doesn't ?
what constitutes titanium-based - and what doesn't ?

can the FIA even write a sentence in English ?
eg is it 'iron or titanium-based alloys' ? or is it 'iron-based alloys or titanium-based alloys' ?
Every alloy has its code (as I wrote), so they are precisely defind for sure.
About the English, I'm sorry not my native, I can't comment on that. Also, maybe I made some mistakes in my writing.
However You can check the Rulebook.
Yes, exactly. I've posted the allowed materials several times; there seems to a dearth of reading comprehension lately on this site, as well as a lack of technical understanding.

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I was thinking....

Remember that pistons in most engines use technology from many years ago called "cam ground" A metal insert is cast into the piston...as the piston is at ambient temps the piston reverts to being slightly elliptical to "absorb" excessive clearance particularly at the skirt area which prevents noise and rocking when the piston is cold. The difference of expansion rates of the two dissimilar metals creates this effect....some engines would knock during the cold phase and we called this a "collapsed piston" where the insert lost its function and allowed excessive skirt clearance but functioned ok at operating temps....

Its entirely possible now with the advent of 3D printed pistons that slight expansion can be engineered into the "skull" inner structure of the piston as well and create the same effect in a vertical direction whereas the dome of the piston which expands to a desired size only at operating temperatures and separate from the ring land area, achieves the effect of maintaining a dome height difference between 16 vs 18:1....and at those high ratio's the difference in height volume will indeed be quite small
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I get the impression that no one can see the elephant in the room because someone came in and threw a smoke bomb: The alleged 2026 engine loophole! I don't see anyone discussing the two areas where the 2026 regulations allow freedom: energy recovery, deployment software, and fuels.

I am more interested in this topic because of my profession. Still, even if I had no in-depth knowledge of this area, as a simple engineer, studying the increasingly restrictive regulations on engines, I would have realized that a determining factor in the final power of a PU will be the fuels used from 2026 onwards. Perhaps someone can help me with a thread discussing this topic. Until then, I will give a summary of the fuels that will be used in F1 starting next year:

For Formula 1 in 2026, all power units will run on 100% "Advanced Sustainable Fuel" as defined by the FIA.

This does not mean every engine must use the same type of fuel: suppliers are free to use bio-based fuels (from non-food biomass or municipal waste), synthetic e-fuels (RFNBO: green hydrogen captured CO₂). or a blend of both, as long as strict lifecycle greenhouse-gas criteria are met. Importantly, fuel suppliers are not required to disclose their exact production pathways, so most claims about 'e-fuel vs biofuel" are based on public positioning rather than hard declarations.

Among the manufacturers, Shell (Ferrari) has most clearly described a bio/waste-derived route, frequently citing non-food biomass and municipal waste. Aramco (Aston Martin/Honda) has been the most explicit in promoting synthetic e-fuels as part of its 2026 strategy. PETRONAS (Mercedes) publicly discusses all FIA-permitted pathways without committing to one, while bp (Audi) and ExxonMobil/Esso (Red Bull Ford) have confirmed compliance with the 2026 sustainable fuel rules but have not publicly specified whether their primary route is bio-based, synthetic, or blended.

The key difference is production, not on-track usage. E-fuels are made by synthesizing hydrocarbons from captured CO and green hydrogen, offering strong carbon-neutral potential but at high energy and cost.

Advanced biofuels are derived from waste or non-food biomass and can also deliver large lifecycle emissions reductions, though feedstock supply is limited and tightly regulated. From an F1 performance perspective, both routes can be engineered to meet the same FIA spec. What matters most is combustion quality, knock resistance, and consistency, not the sustainability pathway itself
As I recall, the 2026 regulations have switched from mass-based fuel flow (100kg/h) to energy-based fuel flow (3,000MJ/h). This means that the focus in fuel development will be towards that one that has lowest mass for the same calorific power, coz at the start of the race had you`ve got a car that has 10kilos less it`ll be at least 3 tenths faster and after the finish it`ll lead with 15-20 seconds in front of the other cars.

And in order to have a fuel with a low mass, it must have a low density, i.e., be in a gaseous state. But this implies large volumes, and therefore this gaseous fuel will have to be compressed and converted into a liquid phase in order to comply with the rules regarding the maximum volume that the fuel tank must have. However, I do not know what pressure this tank can withstand, nor what the maximum pressure allowed for fuel in this tank is. There are a few essential questions to ask in order to determine the state of aggregation (gaseous or liquid) of this fuel. But, like you, I suspect that it is not permitted to use fuel at high pressures, so it is clear that this fuel will be in a liquid state with the lowest possible pressure, possibly atmospheric. However, there are still many issues to be resolved, such as knocking, detonation, etc., to mention the most commonly known ones, but very few people think about the implications of the combinations of these fuels and the additives used (for various purposes), both directly in the composition of fuels and in that of oils. In the Italian media covering F1, there are a few voices saying that Petronas has the know-how, experience, and, above all, the largest R&D resources of all the other manufacturers involved with the other teams. Below is a video in which Petronas specialists explains the criteria that the new fuel for 2026 must meet (I was struck by the fact that the woman said that the performance of next year's new engine must be at least equal when using the new fuel!):

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
28 Dec 2025, 16:03
So this pretty much rules out any talk of expanding parts. The piston is the only thing inside the cylinder that could expand enough to take away enough volume, so knowing that that CTE of the above materials is low, this is ruled out.
I may need to re-read this thread, but why does the expansion have to be of the piston? Why can't it be something in head as part of the combustion chamber? As to the CTE of allowable materials, I assume everyone is doing basic linear calculations such as "Piston will grow in length this much". What about simple machines that work off the thermal expansion of allowable materials? Something that might use mechanical advantage to use expansion to create a larger movement? For example a tapered plug/piston in a tapered cylinder in the head that decreases the combustion chamber size as the plug is forced in a direction by a shrinking taper? I can imagine all types of issues to make this work. But those challenges might just be other engineering issues that are resolvable? This very much may not be the solution, but it seems things like thermal expansion as a potential driver is tossed aside because the obvious solutions may not be viable. If not thermal expansion, it could be hydraulic?

Regardless, wouldn't a solution in the head just need to operate optimally at normal running conditions (hot). Meaning when running, it might look and operate like a normal chamber (plug fits flush with rest of chamber), but when cold, it would have a cavity that provides the required 16:1 for combustion chamber volume measurement. Tuning for a "warm up mode" would allow smooth running until it warms up and the cavity is filled.

Or, I could be very wrong and very much beyond my understanding of viable solutions. :)

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Richard C wrote:
29 Dec 2025, 01:32
PlatinumZealot wrote:
28 Dec 2025, 16:03
So this pretty much rules out any talk of expanding parts. The piston is the only thing inside the cylinder that could expand enough to take away enough volume, so knowing that that CTE of the above materials is low, this is ruled out.
I may need to re-read this thread, but why does the expansion have to be of the piston? Why can't it be something in head as part of the combustion chamber? As to the CTE of allowable materials, I assume everyone is doing basic linear calculations such as "Piston will grow in length this much". What about simple machines that work off the thermal expansion of allowable materials? Something that might use mechanical advantage to use expansion to create a larger movement? For example a tapered plug/piston in a tapered cylinder in the head that decreases the combustion chamber size as the plug is forced in a direction by a shrinking taper? I can imagine all types of issues to make this work. But those challenges might just be other engineering issues that are resolvable? This very much may not be the solution, but it seems things like thermal expansion as a potential driver is tossed aside because the obvious solutions may not be viable. If not thermal expansion, it could be hydraulic?

Regardless, wouldn't a solution in the head just need to operate optimally at normal running conditions (hot). Meaning when running, it might look and operate like a normal chamber (plug fits flush with rest of chamber), but when cold, it would have a cavity that provides the required 16:1 for combustion chamber volume measurement. Tuning for a "warm up mode" would allow smooth running until it warms up and the cavity is filled.

Or, I could be very wrong and very much beyond my understanding of viable solutions. :)

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The regulations say the only moving parts allowed in the cylinder are the pistons, and the intake and exhaust valves.
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Rodak wrote:
28 Dec 2025, 20:20
Yes, exactly. I've posted the allowed materials several times; there seems to a dearth of reading comprehension lately on this site, as well as a lack of technical understanding.
Can you post/quote the link here please.
Thank you

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FDD wrote:
29 Dec 2025, 14:21
Rodak wrote:
28 Dec 2025, 20:20
Yes, exactly. I've posted the allowed materials several times; there seems to a dearth of reading comprehension lately on this site, as well as a lack of technical understanding.
Can you post/quote the link here please.
Thank you
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... -06-24.pdf