Only in very limited parts of the engine do you see such temperatures. Remember that thermal expansion is a function of all the material, not just some of it. The average temperature is more important than the peaks. Where most of the expansion can take place (where most of the “length” sits) in the con rod and block, the temperatures are significantly lower on average.
I can attest that Andy Cowell said that during the conference. Everyone was vague about the power unit and spoke in terms of platitudes.
Badger wrote: ↑20 Jan 2026, 10:46Only in very limited parts of the engine do you see such temperatures. Remember that thermal expansion is a function of all the material, not just some of it. The average temperature is more important than the peaks. Where most of the expansion can take place (where most of the “length” sits) in the con rod and block, the temperatures are significantly lower on average.
1. Typical F1 piston material F1 pistons are not pure aluminum. They are usually:
- Forged aluminum alloy
- Commonly Al–Si (high silicon) or Al–Cu–Mg
- Designed for:
- Very high temperatures
- Minimal thermal growth
- Tight piston-to-bore clearances
Typical coefficient of linear thermal expansion (α)
Depending on alloy and silicon content:
Alloy type α (×10⁻⁶ /°C)
-----------------------------------------------
Forged Al-Cu-Mg 22–23
High-Si Al (12–18% Si) 17–20
Hypereutectic (>18% Si) 15–17
F1 pistons are usually in the 17–19 ×10⁻⁶ /°C range.
Units explained
- The ×10⁻⁶ /°C means the values are in microstrain per degree Celsius
- So:
- 1 ×10⁻⁶ /°C = 1 µm per meter per °C
Example (aluminum)
Typical forged aluminum alloy:
𝛼≈18×10⁻⁶ /°𝐶
This means:
- For every 1 °C rise, aluminum grows by:
- 18 µm per meter
- 0.018 mm per meter
Practical engine example
If an aluminum piston section is 30 mm tall and heats by 280 °C:
ΔL=30×18×10⁻⁶ ×280≈0.15 mm
That’s why piston crown growth has a measurable effect on compression ratio.
2. Assumed operating temperatures
Typical F1 piston conditions:
- Cold reference: 20 °C
- Crown temperature: 280–320 °C
- Skirt temperature: 150–220 °C
I’ll calculate for 300 °C crown temperature, which is realistic.
ΔT=300−20=280°C
3. Linear expansion calculation (piston diameter)
Using α = 18 × 10⁻⁶ /°C:
Δ𝐷
--- = 𝛼Δ𝑇
𝐷0
=18×10⁻⁶×280=0.00504
Expected expansion of an F1 aluminum piston at 300 °C
Linear expansion:
- ≈ 0.50% growth
- ≈ 5.0 mm per meter
- ≈ 0.005 mm per mm
Example (typical F1 piston)
For an 80.0 mm bore piston:
ΔD=80×0.00504≈0.40 mm
So the piston crown diameter increases by roughly:
0.35–0.45 mm (depending on alloy and exact temperature)
To estimate the compression ratio (CR) increase from piston thermal expansion, we have to translate piston growth into reduced clearance volume.
Given
- Cold (ambient) compression ratio: 16.0 : 1
- Piston material: forged Al-Si (typical F1)
- Crown temperature: ~300 °C
- Reference temperature: 20 °C
Key relationship
Compression ratio:
𝐶𝑅=u]𝑉𝑑+𝑉𝑐[/u]
𝑉𝑐
Where:
- 𝑉𝑑 = displacement volume
- 𝑉𝑐 = clearance volume (TDC)
From this:
𝑉𝑐= 𝑉𝑑
𝐶𝑅−1
At 16:1:
𝑉𝑐= 𝑉𝑑
15
Piston crown growth (axial)
Typical axial CTE ≈ linear CTE
Using:
- 𝛼=18×10⁻⁶/°C
- ΔT=280°C
- Effective crown height ≈ 30 mm (realistic F1 piston)
Δh=hαΔT
Δh=30×18×10⁻⁶×280≈0.15 mm
Convert height growth to volume change
Assume:
- Bore ≈ 80 mm
- Bore area:
A=π(40)2 ≈ 5027 mm2
Volume reduction:
ΔVc=AΔh≈5027×0.15≈754 mm3
Effect on compression ratio
Original clearance volume:
𝑉𝑐= 𝑉𝑑
15
For an 80 mm bore, ~40 mm stroke cylinder:
Vd≈201,000 mm3⇒Vc≈13,400 mm3
New clearance volume:
Vc′=13,400−754=12,646 mm3
New compression ratio:
CR′=Vd+Vc′≈16.9:1
Vc′
I hope that was AI or you just wasted a lot of time. The piston must be made from an iron based alloy. And the con rod can't be aluminium either. Iron based alloys and titanium have less thermal expansion.diffuser wrote: ↑20 Jan 2026, 17:40Badger wrote: ↑20 Jan 2026, 10:46Only in very limited parts of the engine do you see such temperatures. Remember that thermal expansion is a function of all the material, not just some of it. The average temperature is more important than the peaks. Where most of the expansion can take place (where most of the “length” sits) in the con rod and block, the temperatures are significantly lower on average.1. Typical F1 piston material F1 pistons are not pure aluminum. They are usually: - Forged aluminum alloy - Commonly Al–Si (high silicon) or Al–Cu–Mg - Designed for: - Very high temperatures - Minimal thermal growth - Tight piston-to-bore clearances Typical coefficient of linear thermal expansion (α) Depending on alloy and silicon content: Alloy type α (×10⁻⁶ /°C) ----------------------------------------------- Forged Al-Cu-Mg 22–23 High-Si Al (12–18% Si) 17–20 Hypereutectic (>18% Si) 15–17 F1 pistons are usually in the 17–19 ×10⁻⁶ /°C range. Units explained - The ×10⁻⁶ /°C means the values are in microstrain per degree Celsius - So: - 1 ×10⁻⁶ /°C = 1 µm per meter per °C Example (aluminum) Typical forged aluminum alloy: 𝛼≈18×10⁻⁶ /°𝐶 This means: - For every 1 °C rise, aluminum grows by: - 18 µm per meter - 0.018 mm per meter Practical engine example If an aluminum piston section is 30 mm tall and heats by 280 °C: ΔL=30×18×10⁻⁶ ×280≈0.15 mm That’s why piston crown growth has a measurable effect on compression ratio. 2. Assumed operating temperatures Typical F1 piston conditions: - Cold reference: 20 °C - Crown temperature: 280–320 °C - Skirt temperature: 150–220 °C I’ll calculate for 300 °C crown temperature, which is realistic. ΔT=300−20=280°C 3. Linear expansion calculation (piston diameter) Using α = 18 × 10⁻⁶ /°C: Δ𝐷 --- = 𝛼Δ𝑇 𝐷0 =18×10⁻⁶×280=0.00504 Expected expansion of an F1 aluminum piston at 300 °C Linear expansion: - ≈ 0.50% growth - ≈ 5.0 mm per meter - ≈ 0.005 mm per mm Example (typical F1 piston) For an 80.0 mm bore piston: ΔD=80×0.00504≈0.40 mm So the piston crown diameter increases by roughly: 0.35–0.45 mm (depending on alloy and exact temperature) To estimate the compression ratio (CR) increase from piston thermal expansion, we have to translate piston growth into reduced clearance volume. Given - Cold (ambient) compression ratio: 16.0 : 1 - Piston material: forged Al-Si (typical F1) - Crown temperature: ~300 °C - Reference temperature: 20 °C Key relationship Compression ratio: 𝐶𝑅=u]𝑉𝑑+𝑉𝑐[/u] 𝑉𝑐 Where: - 𝑉𝑑 = displacement volume - 𝑉𝑐 = clearance volume (TDC) From this: 𝑉𝑐= 𝑉𝑑 𝐶𝑅−1 At 16:1: 𝑉𝑐= 𝑉𝑑 15 Piston crown growth (axial) Typical axial CTE ≈ linear CTE Using: - 𝛼=18×10−6/°C - ΔT=280°C - Effective crown height ≈ 30 mm (realistic F1 piston) Δh=hαΔT Δh=30×18×10−6×280≈0.15 mm Convert height growth to volume change Assume: - Bore ≈ 80 mm - Bore area: A=π(40)2 ≈ 5027 mm2 Volume reduction: ΔVc=AΔh≈5027×0.15≈754 mm3 Effect on compression ratio Original clearance volume: 𝑉𝑐= 𝑉𝑑 15 For an 80 mm bore, ~40 mm stroke cylinder: Vd≈201,000 mm3⇒Vc≈13,400 mm3 New clearance volume: Vc′=13,400−754=12,646 mm3 New compression ratio: CR′=Vd+Vc′≈16.9:1 Vc′
| Material | Hot CR for 16.0:1 cold CR | | ------------------ | ------------------------- | | Aluminum piston | ~16.9–17.0 | | 15CDV6 iron piston | ~16.6–16.7 |
Very, very good job.diffuser wrote: ↑20 Jan 2026, 17:40Badger wrote: ↑20 Jan 2026, 10:46Only in very limited parts of the engine do you see such temperatures. Remember that thermal expansion is a function of all the material, not just some of it. The average temperature is more important than the peaks. Where most of the expansion can take place (where most of the “length” sits) in the con rod and block, the temperatures are significantly lower on average.1. Typical F1 piston material F1 pistons are not pure aluminum. They are usually: - Forged aluminum alloy - Commonly Al–Si (high silicon) or Al–Cu–Mg - Designed for: - Very high temperatures - Minimal thermal growth - Tight piston-to-bore clearances Typical coefficient of linear thermal expansion (α) Depending on alloy and silicon content: Alloy type α (×10⁻⁶ /°C) ----------------------------------------------- Forged Al-Cu-Mg 22–23 High-Si Al (12–18% Si) 17–20 Hypereutectic (>18% Si) 15–17 F1 pistons are usually in the 17–19 ×10⁻⁶ /°C range. Units explained - The ×10⁻⁶ /°C means the values are in microstrain per degree Celsius - So: - 1 ×10⁻⁶ /°C = 1 µm per meter per °C Example (aluminum) Typical forged aluminum alloy: 𝛼≈18×10⁻⁶ /°𝐶 This means: - For every 1 °C rise, aluminum grows by: - 18 µm per meter - 0.018 mm per meter Practical engine example If an aluminum piston section is 30 mm tall and heats by 280 °C: ΔL=30×18×10⁻⁶ ×280≈0.15 mm That’s why piston crown growth has a measurable effect on compression ratio. 2. Assumed operating temperatures Typical F1 piston conditions: - Cold reference: 20 °C - Crown temperature: 280–320 °C - Skirt temperature: 150–220 °C I’ll calculate for 300 °C crown temperature, which is realistic. ΔT=300−20=280°C 3. Linear expansion calculation (piston diameter) Using α = 18 × 10⁻⁶ /°C: Δ𝐷 --- = 𝛼Δ𝑇 𝐷0 =18×10⁻⁶×280=0.00504 Expected expansion of an F1 aluminum piston at 300 °C Linear expansion: - ≈ 0.50% growth - ≈ 5.0 mm per meter - ≈ 0.005 mm per mm Example (typical F1 piston) For an 80.0 mm bore piston: ΔD=80×0.00504≈0.40 mm So the piston crown diameter increases by roughly: 0.35–0.45 mm (depending on alloy and exact temperature) To estimate the compression ratio (CR) increase from piston thermal expansion, we have to translate piston growth into reduced clearance volume. Given - Cold (ambient) compression ratio: 16.0 : 1 - Piston material: forged Al-Si (typical F1) - Crown temperature: ~300 °C - Reference temperature: 20 °C Key relationship Compression ratio: 𝐶𝑅=u]𝑉𝑑+𝑉𝑐[/u] 𝑉𝑐 Where: - 𝑉𝑑 = displacement volume - 𝑉𝑐 = clearance volume (TDC) From this: 𝑉𝑐= 𝑉𝑑 𝐶𝑅−1 At 16:1: 𝑉𝑐= 𝑉𝑑 15 Piston crown growth (axial) Typical axial CTE ≈ linear CTE Using: - 𝛼=18×10⁻⁶/°C - ΔT=280°C - Effective crown height ≈ 30 mm (realistic F1 piston) Δh=hαΔT Δh=30×18×10⁻⁶×280≈0.15 mm Convert height growth to volume change Assume: - Bore ≈ 80 mm - Bore area: A=π(40)2 ≈ 5027 mm2 Volume reduction: ΔVc=AΔh≈5027×0.15≈754 mm3 Effect on compression ratio Original clearance volume: 𝑉𝑐= 𝑉𝑑 15 For an 80 mm bore, ~40 mm stroke cylinder: Vd≈201,000 mm3⇒Vc≈13,400 mm3 New clearance volume: Vc′=13,400−754=12,646 mm3 New compression ratio: CR′=Vd+Vc′≈16.9:1 Vc′
Again, much too high temperature. The expansion is a function of the average temperature across the whole length, not just the highest temperature spot. You'd do better by lowering the temperature and incorporating the con rod and cylinder head in your calculation. Those have more length to expand. I also believe the cylinder head can use aluminium.diffuser wrote: ↑20 Jan 2026, 19:12Not all lost .... The iron alloys specified in the rules include:
- AMS 6487
- 15 CDV6
- 42CrMo4
- X38CrMoV5-3
15CDV6 has a α (×10⁻⁶ /°C) of 11.5–12.5 about 35% lower than aluminum. Also 15CDV6 transfers heat 6 times slower than aluminum, therefore, it will run hotter than aluminum. So where an aluminum piston would run around 300C, a 15CDV6 would be near 360C.
| Material | Hot CR for 16.0:1 cold CR | | ------------------ | ------------------------- | | Aluminum piston | ~16.9–17.0 | | 15CDV6 iron piston | ~16.6–16.7 |
It's still something.The regs also have the same restrictions on material for Crankshafts and rods. They do allow titanium for rods.
Cylinder heads and main static structure:
- Aluminum or iron‑based alloys.
Cylinder Head Specific Requirements:
- Only one cylinder head per bank is permitted.
- Each head must be made from a single piece of material (exceptions only for defined inserts).
Pretty much leaves you with monkeying around with aluminum head geometry to increase compression.
https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel ... n-26012007There is also a reason for the unusual arrangement: "In the discussions with the team, it was emphasized that the packaging should be as short as possible, which is why the arrangement is in two levels. Of course, what you see today is not yet the final specification."
I wished they talked about the battery component during the press conference. This layout is interesting.AR3-GP wrote: ↑20 Jan 2026, 20:03https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel ... n-26012007There is also a reason for the unusual arrangement: "In the discussions with the team, it was emphasized that the packaging should be as short as possible, which is why the arrangement is in two levels. Of course, what you see today is not yet the final specification."
Very interesting. I won't pretend to know what the `best` packaging solution will be aero-wise, but having a shorter unit sounds like a great thing to have in general. Assuming it doesn't come with consequences. Not sure if this has any CoG implications, but the biggest thing that would worry me when you ask for tight packages is reliability.AR3-GP wrote: ↑20 Jan 2026, 20:03https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel ... n-26012007There is also a reason for the unusual arrangement: "In the discussions with the team, it was emphasized that the packaging should be as short as possible, which is why the arrangement is in two levels. Of course, what you see today is not yet the final specification."