2026 Scuderia Ferrari HP F1 Team

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If the car is not top 3/4 best after 6 races Vassuer should be fired immediately. No more talk of potential and other nonsense.

I really thought the team would improve a lot under him, but it's just been up down up down..

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dialtone wrote:
21 Jan 2026, 19:27
That amus article doesn’t make much sense though. Speaks about the issues in biomass fuels but Ferrari didn’t ask for the extension and they are the only team with Biomass. So what gives?

I think they are confusing biomass with synthetic fuel or somehow treating them the same?
Yes, they definitely treat them the same. Biofuel as in ecological.
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As you guys know i have absolutely 0 faith on the current technical team (leadership wise) in building a car good enough to be competitive for the WDC (or WCC), but i really doubt that Ferrari has completely --- up the engine to be honest.

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DJ Downforce wrote:
21 Jan 2026, 19:58
If the car is not top 3/4 best after 6 races Vassuer should be fired immediately. No more talk of potential and other nonsense.

I really thought the team would improve a lot under him, but it's just been up down up down..
Fred only joined at the very end of 2022(year, not F1 season). Most of the work for the 2023 car was already done. 2024 was the first year of the team fully under his control and it was a pretty good one. 2025 was 'down', but also comes from a long shot gamble at trying to make up a big gap at the end of a regulation era.

So no, this idea that things have been 'up down up down' under him is creating a sensationalist narrative that doesn't match reality at all.

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If, and I repeat IF, the engine comes out being lacking, the excuse cannot be some people leaving.

Mercedes was pillaged and RBPT was formed in a rush with stuff changing and new facilities for development. Honda had to start from scratch after saying they were leaving and then changing their mind and they declared their ICE is a bit underachieving their expectations.

Ferrari had some changes in december last year, afaik, when everything had to be done already, the engine project has been going on for a few years now. I don’t buy the personnel changes on the engine side as the fault. They also always churned out good engines so the technical team should be good.

Every team is in different levels of disarray or movement, personnel isn’t a differentiator for Ferrari. If anything compared to the rest they are somewhat more stable.

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a while back i had asked if bathtub pod would be viable solution, looks like merc this year going with some what similar concept.. wonder if Ferrari might have similar shape
but so far many team have kept downslop side pod, from what i had seen in tech video from my understand was it was ment to help beam wing. but since that is no longer there why have so many team still using downslop?

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DJ Downforce wrote:
21 Jan 2026, 19:58
If the car is not top 3/4 best after 6 races Vassuer should be fired immediately. No more talk of potential and other nonsense.

I really thought the team would improve a lot under him, but it's just been up down up down..
Please stop these "they should be fired" stuff...
This is offensive, also the world is not this simple. It is never just one person who is at fault. And Ferraris problem was partly their firing culture anyways. Look at other teams, they stick to their leadership sometimes for decades. Even in bad times.
When you fire people, it has serious adverse effects, you kinda loose years of continuous development as everything is set up again, things halt, etc.

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I can't really make a judgement call on Vasseur being the right or wrong TP for Ferrari. For the time he has been in this position, there's not enough indication that he is the one to blame for the rollercoaster performance, although I have to admit the comments last year were a bit frustrating to listen to. In any case, it's only been 2 full seasons where he was the TP during those season's car conception, and only one of them (2025) was legitimately bad. The other one (2024), they were on the brink of a WCC. You can hardly call that a failure. I mean heck, even Binotto got more time to build up the team that eventually gave them the F1-75. A car that I still believe would have brought them at least one title if it were not for the in-season TD. And Binotto had 2 genuinely bad years for Ferrari standards. 2020 was a disaster, but it's not like 2021 was great either. They were practically midfield level with the McLaren of the time that although good, was not really a top a team.

This axing of people the moment things go remotely wrong has been proven to not work. Not just by Ferrari, but on other teams as well. You have to give people some time without the pressure of being fired looming over their heads at all times. This is something that I noticed with Aston Martin as well. Lawrence doesn't strike me as the patient man. He wants results and he wanted them yesterday. But this sport rewards consistency. The teams which rose to the top in the last 15 years build themselves up to a position of strength. They didn't sporadically become winners overnight.
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My problem with Fred is that I just fail to see what good he has managed to build over his tenure. If anything the team seems to be in a worse position personnel wise than when Binotto left.
He tried to recruit from other teams but that effort didn’t bear that much fruit. Instead you just have key engineering people leaving for other teams, to the point Fred himself had to serve as interim TD for a time which pretty much made the 2025 car a write off.

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Seanspeed wrote:
22 Jan 2026, 00:11
DJ Downforce wrote:
21 Jan 2026, 19:58
If the car is not top 3/4 best after 6 races Vassuer should be fired immediately. No more talk of potential and other nonsense.

I really thought the team would improve a lot under him, but it's just been up down up down..
Fred only joined at the very end of 2022(year, not F1 season). Most of the work for the 2023 car was already done. 2024 was the first year of the team fully under his control and it was a pretty good one. 2025 was 'down', but also comes from a long shot gamble at trying to make up a big gap at the end of a regulation era.

So no, this idea that things have been 'up down up down' under him is creating a sensationalist narrative that doesn't match reality at all.
The reason the 2025 project was a disaster is that there was no succession plan for if Cardile left. It was a project which didn't have a clear lead and led to a lot of fundamental problems. He also supported the development of a new rear suspension which changed nothing. And then later denied a floor upgrade at Baku.

It's the same with Adami, there was obviously no one ready to step in his role if he left so now they're scrambling to find someone.

This is BASIC succession planning and managing your resources effectively.

The most notable thing to improve under him is the pit crew which I give him full credit for.

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Peter Ian Staker wrote:
22 Jan 2026, 14:39
My problem with Fred is that I just fail to see what good he has managed to build over his tenure. If anything the team seems to be in a worse position personnel wise than when Binotto left.
He tried to recruit from other teams but that effort didn’t bear that much fruit. Instead you just have key engineering people leaving for other teams, to the point Fred himself had to serve as interim TD for a time which pretty much made the 2025 car a write off.
He steadied the ship after the Binotto era. Now it's time for someone to come and build on the foundation Vasseur built.

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DJ Downforce wrote:
22 Jan 2026, 15:16

The reason the 2025 project was a disaster is that no one caught or corrected the structural design flaw after Cardile left.
ftfy

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leblanc wrote:
22 Jan 2026, 15:57
DJ Downforce wrote:
22 Jan 2026, 15:16

The reason the 2025 project was a disaster is that no one caught or corrected the structural design flaw after Cardile left.
ftfy
Well there was definitely more than one flaw which my post pointed out :?

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